I know you don't want to have server specific forums, however would it be possible to sticky this thread
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/journal2.html?user=313974&mid=1087516585449447296
on the main ffxi forum page? i just think it would be a good idea.
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Not going to sticky it due to there being many regular posters with it in the sig's.
the logic being ???
so someone looking for a server-specific thread/forum should randomly browse through unrelated posts with the hopes that someone who posted happens to have that link in their signature?
so someone looking for a server-specific thread/forum should randomly browse through unrelated posts with the hopes that someone who posted happens to have that link in their signature?
lets tackle this from a pure logic perspective
obviously a thread has been started in the main FFXI forum to keep a master list near the top, so basically everyone is going to keep bumping the thread to keep it up there.
So instead of FORCING extra network traffic, storage, etc why not just sticky the thread at the top and save some bandwidth/CPU/storage?
obviously a thread has been started in the main FFXI forum to keep a master list near the top, so basically everyone is going to keep bumping the thread to keep it up there.
So instead of FORCING extra network traffic, storage, etc why not just sticky the thread at the top and save some bandwidth/CPU/storage?
I agree. I don't see the harm in stickying one of these posts with a list of them in it.
And TDarkmoon brings up a good point:
I don't think we'd mind taking it out of our sigs if it was stickied. Am I right?
And TDarkmoon brings up a good point:
TDarkmoon wrote:
So if we all take it out of our sig's will they sticky it? lol
I don't think we'd mind taking it out of our sigs if it was stickied. Am I right?
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Not going to sticky it due to there being many regular posters with it in the sig's.
I said this on the other thread, but figured I'd say it here so the admins could see it, I really don't see the point in this. If someone is new they aren't gonna look around for a link in some posters sig for it, the first place they'd really look is under the all FF forums link, since that isnt possible a sticky would be the next logical spot. Obviously since these are going into journals all the people asking for this are premium members who pay for the site. How much would one sticky really hurt the main page?
If all us regular posters took the links out of our sigs would you sticky it then? ^^;
I don't see the logic in it Haggan.
A single sticky post is alot better then having it constantly bumped to the point where you have 100s of posts of nothing but "bump".
A single sticky post is alot better then having it constantly bumped to the point where you have 100s of posts of nothing but "bump".
Wow, I am just totally in awe. I won't repeat the points I made in this thread, but I'm in total awe at the Alla administration showing absolutely no support or compromise for something that almost every other FFXI site with forums has (before someone shoots me with, "Well go to those sites," I DO like Alla, and the community here, and would like to make it my one-stop shop for my FFXI needs ^^).
No creation of 30 new server forums, okay.
No creation of ONE new server forum, fine.
No listening or discussion of FF users willing to give up race forums for a server forum, well okay.
No re-purposing of a defunct Worldpass forum into a Server Discussions forum, sigh.
So the users of the community have taken it upon themselves to create their own server forums. Way to go community! They ask for a simple link/sticky to the general forum to make it worth while.
"Everybody has it in their sigs."
????
So we're supposed to hope that all thousand+ forum users happen to see and click on the dozen or so posters that have it on their sigs? People aren't going to be looking at other user's sigs for message boards. I mean come on, this has gone from legitimate reasons of not having server forums to just plain stubborn refusal to help out in any way. What is up with this admin vendetta against any formation, user-created or Alla-created, of server forums?
As has been mentioned by everyone at least once including me, this wouldn't fragment the general forum community -- this would get rid of all the server-specific junk that players on the other 29 servers don't need or care to see (linkshells, bad players, party meets, etc.). One sticky on the general forum page won't hurt, and would (hopefully) signficantly improve the page too. I mean, I don't know what else I can do to help out this situation. I'd bribe the admins with cupcakes, but I ran out of mix. :(
No creation of 30 new server forums, okay.
No creation of ONE new server forum, fine.
No listening or discussion of FF users willing to give up race forums for a server forum, well okay.
No re-purposing of a defunct Worldpass forum into a Server Discussions forum, sigh.
So the users of the community have taken it upon themselves to create their own server forums. Way to go community! They ask for a simple link/sticky to the general forum to make it worth while.
"Everybody has it in their sigs."
????
So we're supposed to hope that all thousand+ forum users happen to see and click on the dozen or so posters that have it on their sigs? People aren't going to be looking at other user's sigs for message boards. I mean come on, this has gone from legitimate reasons of not having server forums to just plain stubborn refusal to help out in any way. What is up with this admin vendetta against any formation, user-created or Alla-created, of server forums?
As has been mentioned by everyone at least once including me, this wouldn't fragment the general forum community -- this would get rid of all the server-specific junk that players on the other 29 servers don't need or care to see (linkshells, bad players, party meets, etc.). One sticky on the general forum page won't hurt, and would (hopefully) signficantly improve the page too. I mean, I don't know what else I can do to help out this situation. I'd bribe the admins with cupcakes, but I ran out of mix. :(
A Sticky would be great. Maybe this is a better approach all.
Pretty , pretty please with suger and a cherry on top?
Pretty , pretty please with suger and a cherry on top?
how about a TEMPORARY sticky, just so that people have a chance to see its there? if you guys will just compromise with us a little bit, we'd really, really appreciate it. 
so, ill ask again.
please, please, pretty please?
so, ill ask again. please, please, pretty please?
Yokuku wrote:
What is up with this admin vendetta against any formation, user-created or Alla-created, of server forums?
It's just Haggan, he's pissed at Seoman for complaining about a thread that got nuked, and at me for getting people to help un-nuke it.
I'm sure there are others among the administrative staff that don't want this to happen, but he's the one that's been annoying lately.
Don't worry, what we do in our journals is our business, so long as they don't turn into po[/b]rn links, Out[b]wars crap, or exploit and dupe listings.
After all, we pay for the journal privileges, and their paychecks come from subscribers like us, (well that and ad-ware).
Edited, Sat Jun 19 01:18:36 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
No it's not an issue of bandwidth or money or anything like that. It's simply that my experience after 6 years of doing this is that those forums would not see enough use to justify them. You say I want them to post this or that. But after you post those couple things you want to post, what else would you post there? If a forum doesn't get enough posts a day to scroll a page or two, it dies. Forums need constant posts to be relevant. Nothing is worse than a forum that almost nobody reads. Who wants to spend the time making a good post somewhere that nobody actually reads? While we get a lot of FFXI posts, do you really think that we have enough posters to keep 30 new forums active? I don't. I believe that a large number of posters makes for a strong and interesting community. That's what we have now. Split those users into 30 sub-groups and you lose the whole sense of community. I don't want that. If you think about it, I doubt you want that either.
Blame it on me. I simply refuse to splinter a vibrant, active and interesting community into less interesting parts.
Blame it on me. I simply refuse to splinter a vibrant, active and interesting community into less interesting parts.
I see your point, and I've got to say thanks for actually taking the time to explain the reason for your view. The main reason we kept asking over and over again is beacause we kept getting a bunch of short-story answers and not something that actually showed that yes, there really hadbeen some thought put into the reasoning behind not making these forums.
Now, once again, I'll ask for everyone here: Since we are setting these up in our journals, and many people seem genuinely interested in this; what's the problem with a temporary sticky of my link-list on the main board, just until everyone has seen it? It's only one thread.
Here is the proposed sticky: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1087623349589294374
Edited, Fri Jul 2 22:23:43 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
Poeple will probably not post on these forums every day, but they'll be a whole lot more effective for setting up events and contacting players we know, when they aren't online.
I seriously doubt that it will change the way the main board operates, since it's where this happens.
I seriously doubt that it will change the way the main board operates, since it's where this happens.
I'm against stickying the server threads. They are a terrible idea. If they actually get used you're going to end up with threads so long it will be insane trying to get to the end of a thread to see the new posts, having to remember the last post you read, ....
I geuss if they do see alot of use then the argument for server specific forums might be easier to make, but... well, I like this place full of people I'd never meet in the game, which means I don't want server specific forums to take away from traffic to the main forums.
I geuss if they do see alot of use then the argument for server specific forums might be easier to make, but... well, I like this place full of people I'd never meet in the game, which means I don't want server specific forums to take away from traffic to the main forums.
NoOneLeft wrote:
I'm against stickying the server threads. They are a terrible idea. If they actually get used you're going to end up with threads so long it will be insane trying to get to the end of a thread to see the new posts, having to remember the last post you read, ....
I geuss if they do see alot of use then the argument for server specific forums might be easier to make, but... well, I like this place full of people I'd never meet in the game, which means I don't want server specific forums to take away from traffic to the main forums.
I geuss if they do see alot of use then the argument for server specific forums might be easier to make, but... well, I like this place full of people I'd never meet in the game, which means I don't want server specific forums to take away from traffic to the main forums.
It's not stickying the server threads, it's stickying the list with links to all the threads.
Visit the Phoenix one in my journal and see how it's set up.
The only thing we are talking about stickying is the main link list so that new people will have access to the lists and can go to the journals and do their posting there.
The problem with the temporary sticky with the link list is, what about the new people?
How will they find it?
How will they find it?
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
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No it's not an issue of bandwidth or money or anything like that. It's simply that my experience after 6 years of doing this is that those forums would not see enough use to justify them. You say I want them to post this or that. But after you post those couple things you want to post, what else would you post there? If a forum doesn't get enough posts a day to scroll a page or two, it dies. Forums need constant posts to be relevant. Nothing is worse than a forum that almost nobody reads. Who wants to spend the time making a good post somewhere that nobody actually reads? While we get a lot of FFXI posts, do you really think that we have enough posters to keep 30 new forums active? I don't. I believe that a large number of posters makes for a strong and interesting community. That's what we have now. Split those users into 30 sub-groups and you lose the whole sense of community. I don't want that. If you think about it, I doubt you want that either.
Blame it on me. I simply refuse to splinter a vibrant, active and interesting community into less interesting parts.
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Why can't you guys understand that by doing the separate server forums it won't splinter the community at all.
If anything, it will make for a better community. The main page won't be taking up with 3-6 posts that the vast majority of the community don't care about.
Do the people from Ragnarok really care about the person looking for a linkshell on Phoenix? No, they don't.
Remember the Uberlink threads from awhile back? Nothing but a hate fest and with a bunch of people (myself included) that would not have been involved if the thread had been on it's specific server, but it was on the main page which caused all the others to get involved.
Take a look at the Phoenix Forum in my journal. Every single person that posted in the journal forum is very very active on the main page still.
Take a look at all the people that have volunteered their journals to the cause. All of them are still heavily involved in the main page.
Did the community splinter? No. The main page is active as it's ever been. I think it's more active, there are more threads relevant to the main page because alot of the server stuff is off of it now.
I can see your reasons for not wanting to do the forums. Fine, I don't agree, but whatever.
What I don't understand is why you won't at least sticky the main link list that Lady set up.
Is that too much to ask?
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No it's not an issue of bandwidth or money or anything like that. It's simply that my experience after 6 years of doing this is that those forums would not see enough use to justify them. You say I want them to post this or that. But after you post those couple things you want to post, what else would you post there? If a forum doesn't get enough posts a day to scroll a page or two, it dies. Forums need constant posts to be relevant. Nothing is worse than a forum that almost nobody reads. Who wants to spend the time making a good post somewhere that nobody actually reads? While we get a lot of FFXI posts, do you really think that we have enough posters to keep 30 new forums active? I don't. I believe that a large number of posters makes for a strong and interesting community. That's what we have now. Split those users into 30 sub-groups and you lose the whole sense of community. I don't want that. If you think about it, I doubt you want that either.
Blame it on me. I simply refuse to splinter a vibrant, active and interesting community into less interesting parts.
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Why can't you guys understand that by doing the separate server forums it won't splinter the community at all.
If anything, it will make for a better community. The main page won't be taking up with 3-6 posts that the vast majority of the community don't care about.
Do the people from Ragnarok really care about the person looking for a linkshell on Phoenix? No, they don't.
Remember the Uberlink threads from awhile back? Nothing but a hate fest and with a bunch of people (myself included) that would not have been involved if the thread had been on it's specific server, but it was on the main page which caused all the others to get involved.
Take a look at the Phoenix Forum in my journal. Every single person that posted in the journal forum is very very active on the main page still.
Take a look at all the people that have volunteered their journals to the cause. All of them are still heavily involved in the main page.
Did the community splinter? No. The main page is active as it's ever been. I think it's more active, there are more threads relevant to the main page because alot of the server stuff is off of it now.
I can see your reasons for not wanting to do the forums. Fine, I don't agree, but whatever.
What I don't understand is why you won't at least sticky the main link list that Lady set up.
Is that too much to ask?
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What I don't understand is why you won't at least sticky the main link list that Lady set up.
Is that too much to ask?
Is that too much to ask?
i think it is a very minor request from the people that keep this very board alive ><
I realise that I'm posting in an old thread.
The faulty logic of the 'vibrant community' theory is that people only post/read in one forum. That's really, really not the case. I've only been sponsoring the Bahamut forum for a few days, and we're already starting to gather events.
Sticky-ing the server forum thread will allow people who normally can only interact over multi-server posting forums to interact and coordinant in a relevant fashion. The low traffic on these forums actually BENEFITs the people posting, because events people try to coordinate for future dates don't get pushed aside by irrelevent threads.
Trying to get together a BCNM group or static party group in the main forum is inefficient. Many times, your thread can be pushed aside within an hour depending on activity. There are MANY static party threads in the main FFXI forum that get pushed aside very quickly, just because many people looking at the posts only have a one in twenty chance or so of being on the same server.
Stickying the thread for the forums will not harm your vibrant community in any way, and will serve to benefit it by giving relevant topics a relevant place to express themselves.
NOT stickying the thread will only make your communities enjoyment of the boards more stressful because of having to bump the thread every hour or so to make sure its on the front page. Look at the number of posts. How many other threads on this board have 888+ posts? This isn't going to go away, because the users of your boards want it.
You may argue that only a small percentage of those people want it. If you look at all the Unofficial Server Forums (Journals), you'll see that they aren't as inactive as you believe them to be, and if you sticky the thread, they will be even more active, without people forgoeing other forums to post in.
Please do this, I guarantee that you won't lose a thing.
EDIT: "Not going to sticky this thread because if you look at the sigs they're the same people (sic)" Are you aware of how lobby groups work? A small percentage of a larger population plays an active role in protecting the population's interests. EVERYONE on the Allakhazam FFXI site belongs to a server. People on servers like to coordinate with eachother to get events done. There are many people who do not post on the forums, yet read the site, and may find events that happen on specific servers useful. Why deny us this method of communication? On Bahamut alone, at least one linkshell is posting the URL for the journal in their Linkshell message so that they can organize things better. (I'd like to note, this isn't MY linkshell, or even my suggestion). You're ignoring the biggest part of politics, and economics. The silent masses.
Edited, Fri Jul 2 03:56:25 2004 by Sloppysue
The faulty logic of the 'vibrant community' theory is that people only post/read in one forum. That's really, really not the case. I've only been sponsoring the Bahamut forum for a few days, and we're already starting to gather events.
Sticky-ing the server forum thread will allow people who normally can only interact over multi-server posting forums to interact and coordinant in a relevant fashion. The low traffic on these forums actually BENEFITs the people posting, because events people try to coordinate for future dates don't get pushed aside by irrelevent threads.
Trying to get together a BCNM group or static party group in the main forum is inefficient. Many times, your thread can be pushed aside within an hour depending on activity. There are MANY static party threads in the main FFXI forum that get pushed aside very quickly, just because many people looking at the posts only have a one in twenty chance or so of being on the same server.
Stickying the thread for the forums will not harm your vibrant community in any way, and will serve to benefit it by giving relevant topics a relevant place to express themselves.
NOT stickying the thread will only make your communities enjoyment of the boards more stressful because of having to bump the thread every hour or so to make sure its on the front page. Look at the number of posts. How many other threads on this board have 888+ posts? This isn't going to go away, because the users of your boards want it.
You may argue that only a small percentage of those people want it. If you look at all the Unofficial Server Forums (Journals), you'll see that they aren't as inactive as you believe them to be, and if you sticky the thread, they will be even more active, without people forgoeing other forums to post in.
Please do this, I guarantee that you won't lose a thing.
EDIT: "Not going to sticky this thread because if you look at the sigs they're the same people (sic)" Are you aware of how lobby groups work? A small percentage of a larger population plays an active role in protecting the population's interests. EVERYONE on the Allakhazam FFXI site belongs to a server. People on servers like to coordinate with eachother to get events done. There are many people who do not post on the forums, yet read the site, and may find events that happen on specific servers useful. Why deny us this method of communication? On Bahamut alone, at least one linkshell is posting the URL for the journal in their Linkshell message so that they can organize things better. (I'd like to note, this isn't MY linkshell, or even my suggestion). You're ignoring the biggest part of politics, and economics. The silent masses.
Edited, Fri Jul 2 03:56:25 2004 by Sloppysue
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