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It appeared to me that Desmond was adamant about Locke getting the numbers keyed in before the beeping stopped. And he was really insistent (as insistent you can get with pointing a gun at someone's head) about making sure that Locke keyed exactly what he said. Seems to me that if the numbers were keyed in on time, Desmond was expecting something really really bad to happen.

But Desmond's situation kind of reminds me of the stories you hear about some Japanese soldiers from World War II that have remained hidden in the jungles of wherever because it was their orders, and when they've been found, they're like ASTOUNDED that the war is over and the Japanese lost.

There is no way the flashback scene of the stadium with Jack and Desmond took place in the 70s/80s. If we assume Jack was in his mid 20s in the flashback and it was in the 80s, that would make Jack roughly 50 years old on the Island. If it was the 70s, then he'd be approx. 60 years old.

I think from other flashbacks in the show we know that Jack and Sarah married 4 years after the wreck. With the plane crash happening Sep. 04 the lastest that flashback could have been would be 2000. But we also know that Jack is no longer married, so unless their marriage ended almost as soon as it began we can add *shrug* 1 or 2 more years to that (maybe more.. no enough info yet). Sooo... the car crash was around 1998, give or take a few years.

You could possibly narrow it down a bit more if you add Shannon into the equation. We know how old she is (alas its late and im tired and cant remember her info atm) and how old she and Boone were when their parents got married. -- Off the top of my head.. these arent exact but should be pretty darn close -- I think Boone was about 10-12, she was 8-10 with her current age of around 21-23. With those numbers it would put their parents wedding around 1991, which would mean the car wreck had to have been after that date.


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I agree 100%. I still hope they'll bring the show back, or at least give us some kind of HBO movie to finish the story.

4+8+15+16+23+42=

dum dum dum.... 108.

108 is also painted on the mural on the door to I think the living quarters inside the bunker.

Interesting theories. My husband said that people have been talking about I-Ching and Dharma on the boards.

Last week I called in to a radio station I listen to and asked them to play the bit with Jin yelling at the end and they finally did it this morning, asking Korean speakers to call in and translate. It wasn't anything really interesting, just basically "No! Don't go that way. Go the other way. Don't go that way! Others! Others!"

I don't think the people at the end of the episode where "the others". I think they are just the survivors of the other half of the plane. "The others" are the guys that kidnapped Walt and tried to steal the baby.

Baseball...needs...to DIE...dammit, crappy baseball. I missed the new episodes so far and had to have them summarized for me, so I was all excited to be able to watch this week. Only to have the one good show on television that I actually watch be taken over by baseball >.< So. DIE BASEBALL! Ugh. Sorry for the vent, but to get all worked up and looking forward to some great television and see only a bunch of little guys running around like dogs after a little ball...is a huge letdown. Red Sox didn't even win anyways.

Ana-Lucia Cortez was assigned seat 42f, she jokingly tried to trade Jack for his 23b seat in the airport bar. She was already in the back of the plane.

Summary for Episode 3 - Orientation

I didn't do a summary for Episode 2 since it's mostly a recap of Episode 1 from other character's points of views.

This episode starts off exactly where we left off in the season premiere. Desmond has a gun on Locke's head, and Jack has just realized he's met Desmond before. Jack is realizing that this coincidence is just out of this world and Locke is a bit confused while Desmond doesn't seem to remember Jack at all. Locke picks up on the fact that Jack knows Desmond.

Kate finds her way out of the venting system and into the room with all the guns. She grabs a shotgun, loads it up (notice she was REALLY proficient in this). She sneaks up behind Desmond and knocks him out. Unfortunately, Desmond's gun goes off and shoots the computer. Desmond freaks out and says that the computer must get fixed before the time is up. Locke is going on with what Desmond wants to do and Jack is trying to get answers. Desmond says he was on a solar race around the world, crashed on the island, Kelvin comes out of the jungle, leads Desmond to the underground station, dies and Desmond has been doing Kelvin's button pushing duty ever since.

Desmond directs Jack and Locke to watch a "home movie" about the Dharma initiative. Basically, an orientation movie about the island and what needs to done (only duty is to push a button every 108 minutes). And the orientation movie drops a lot of hints about polar bears and a society combined with technology.

Jack follows because he thinks the whole button pushing thing is nothing. Locke just accepts Desmond's word that the computer must be fixed. Kate has the bright idea of fetching Sayid. Desmond directs her to another door that will lead her to the outside (not the hatch with the broken ladder). So she takes off.

Desmond can't fix the computer, freaks out says everyone is going to die, grabs a backpack, fills it up with food medicine and whatever else (I thought he grabbed a stuffed animal) and leaves the hatch. Jack follows him and Locke stays behind. Jack and Desmond have their little exchange in the jungle and Desmond then remembers Jack and asks Jack about the girl patient that Jack was agonizing over when they first met at the stadium. He tells Jack the code to put into the computer (Hurley's numbers). Jack says he married her and Desmond asks what happened. At this point Jack starts to tear up and gets upset. Desmond grabs his stuff and runs off into the jungle.

In the meantime, we find Mike, Jin and Sawyer under the power of the big black guy. They're knocked unconsious and dragged to another part of the island and thrown into a pit. Sawyer convinces Mike and Jin to lift him up to see if he can lift the lid to the pit (why they didn't lift the skinnier and ligther Asian guy is beyond me). Sawyer gets pushed back with a knife poked through the lid (it was bright and shiny and sharp), he falls back and Michelle Rodriguez's character Ana Lucia is thrown into the pit with them.

Ana Lucia talks with the guys and says she was knocked unconscious during the plane crash, found herself in the sea, and swam to shore. She and Sawyer talk about his gun and she cold-***** him and steals the gun! Big black guy opens the lid, throws down a rope and pulls her out. Great scene here because poor Sawyer just got the crap beat out of him again by a girl.

We find ourselves back at the hatch, Kate has arrived with Sayid and Hurley (?!? how the heck did his fat *** keep up with Kate and Sayid). Sayid just stays calm and starts working on the computer. Hurley finds the food (that was hysterical, the look on his face when he realized the food!). Sayid fixes the computer, Locke sits down and is about to input the numbers. He gets the last one wrong, Hurley isn't about to correct him, then Jack lo and behold, shows up and says the last number (42). Locke says he'll take the first watch.

There are about five Locke flashback scenes that deal with his post-daddy trauma, but doesn't reveal how exactly he got in that wheelchair. The scene between his talk with his dad was just unreal. I would have hit the dad a million times (You needed a father, I needed a kidney, you got conned). He hooks up with Helen, they date, but he can't let go of his dad. She makes him make a choice ("You need to make a leap of faith"). He chooses her.

I'll post my observations. My fingers are screaming CRAMPS!

Did anyone notice that in one part of the video it seems to skip like something has been cut out???

Almost like someone cut out part of the movie then taped it back together after it was filmed. I THINK it happened when the guy started to talk about the electro magnetic incident that requires the button be pushed every 108 minutes... but I could be wrong. I kinda got the expression that the guy was going to explain more about the incident or the reason they have to be in the hatch, but it was cut out.

Dude! In the next week's episode commercial the Korean dude spoke English!!!

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I think his name's Jin.... idfk

Edited, Thu Oct 6 23:25:07 2005 by Caiphus

In my view, Skinner's greatest contribution was his application of operant principles to "verbal behavior." He totally redefined for me what language is, which then has profound effects on how you view everything from language acquisition to philosophy of science to the human concept of reality. But that's another issue.....

An interesting thing about the rat in the cage -- you needn't wait for the rat to press the lever. Skinner also described "shaping" in which you can reinforce successive approximations to lever-presssing. First you drop food pellets "for free" no matter what the rat does. Then you drop a food pellet ONLY whenever the rat turns in the direction of the lever. Then you do it ONLY when it steps toward the lever. Etc., etc. until you have the rat touching the lever, at which point the final step is easy. You can actually "shape" a lever press very quickly this way. It's much faster than just waiting for the rat to accidentally bump the lever. Of course, shaping applies to almost all kinds of behavior, given the right reinforcer of course....

The description of the Fixed Interval schedule of reinforcement is slightly inaccurate. Let's say we have an FI 5 min schedule. This means that no matter what the rat does during that 5 minutes, nothing it does will produce a food pellet. But the FIRST lever press that occurs AFTER the 5 minutes is up will produce a food pellet. After a lot of exposure to this schedule, the rat will not respond at all for the first couple minutes and then as the end of the interval gets nearer and nearer the rat will respond more and more frequently, until at the end of the 5 mintues it's pressing the lever at a very high rate. A lot of research on timing behavior came out of this, as clearly the rat does not have a stopwatch to tell when the 5 minutes are up.

Skinner's book "Walden II" was indeed his "rose-colored-glasses" view of what a world might be like whereby everything was done through the principles of behavior analysis (Skinner's behaviorism). In that world, punishment is very rarely necessary and people are generally very happy because the system is set up so that they are working towards "producing what they want" (positive reinforcement) as opposed to "avoiding what they don't want" (negative reinforcement).

Skinner was a brilliant scientist and visionary who was often misunderstood. Of course I agree that Skinner's ideas are very interesting in the context of Lost, especially given recent developments. But I'm not sure what aspects you're getting at in particular. It seems you are thinking that there is some experiment of a Skinnerian utopia?

Edited, Fri Oct 7 12:33:48 2005 by Jawbox

GAHHH HURRY! They've done such a good job of keeping up the show because you gotta figure it's pretty hard to keep a good plotline when you're working with an island.

Heres what they have listed for tonight:
Disturbing memories from Hurley's past cause him to struggle with a task he's assigned inside the hatch. Meanwhile Sawyer, Michael and Jin discover the identities of their captors, and Claire uncovers a shocking piece of information about the fate of the raft. - www.lost-tv.com -

CALENDAR
10.12 LOST S2 E04: "Everybody Hates Hugo"
10.19 LOST S2 E05: "...and Found"
10.26 LOST S2 E06: "Abandoned"



Edited, Wed Oct 12 13:29:21 2005 by niobia