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gbaji wrote:
Well. Wilst looking up some other stuff, I ran across wage stuff for South Dakota. Yay me!
Scanning the page, I could only find a two occupations (out of a huge list!) in which the median hourly pay was less than $7/hour. That's "Combined Food Preparation and Serving Workers, Including Fast Food" (not to be confused with the more specific "Food Preparation workers" and "Cooks, Fast Food" who each make more apparently), and "Waiters and Waitresses". Both are just barely under $7/hour and the mean (average for the uninformed) for both are over $7/hour. In fact, there isn't a single occupation in South Dakota for which the average wage is less than $7/hour.
OMGZ! Perception doesn't match reality? It can't be!!!
Scanning the page, I could only find a two occupations (out of a huge list!) in which the median hourly pay was less than $7/hour. That's "Combined Food Preparation and Serving Workers, Including Fast Food" (not to be confused with the more specific "Food Preparation workers" and "Cooks, Fast Food" who each make more apparently), and "Waiters and Waitresses". Both are just barely under $7/hour and the mean (average for the uninformed) for both are over $7/hour. In fact, there isn't a single occupation in South Dakota for which the average wage is less than $7/hour.
OMGZ! Perception doesn't match reality? It can't be!!!
That direction to look at median/vs mean averages wasn't addressed to you, you twit.
I mean it about that diabetes thing tho. Just shift some of your calorie intake, especially protein intake, further forward in your sleep wake cycle, k?
Brownduck wrote:
I don't want anecdotal evidence. I want to see a budget.
Evidence?
THIS.
IS.
IRONY.
Maybe I didn't make the chain of logic simple enough for you last time, Stubs. Either that or you realised I broke your flimsy argument and are hoping to Brownduck out of it by evading it.
Facts:
-You should draw a position after looking at the evidence, not before.
+There is no solid evidence for the abuse of wellfare.
+Your particular argument is not an ideological disagreement. You need evidence of the non anecdotal kind to justify it.
+You have no evidence, as there is none.
= Your argument is not based on the facts, which is sloppy form, but, more importantly, does not have any to back it up at all.
Essentially, until you provide reliable facts then your argument is broken. Devoid of value. I hope I'm making this clear to you. It's not complicated - no one should have trouble following it. The only way you can redeem your argument is reliable evidence. Go shoot!
Kavekk, do I not get you because I am too tired?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
Kalivha wrote:
Kavekk, do I not get you because I am too tired?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
He's asking for evidence when he refuses to give any. It's tangential to the argument, though.
P.S. You should probably sleep sometime :P I've had six hours and woken up.
Kavekk wrote:
Kalivha wrote:
Kavekk, do I not get you because I am too tired?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
He's asking for evidence when he refuses to give any. It's tangential to the argument, though.
P.S. You should probably sleep sometime :P I've had six hours and woken up.
Excruciating pain. It started an hour ago, usually lasts two or three hours. When it's over, I'll drop dead.
I've slept 1 1/2 hours already, then it started.
Kavekk wrote:
Kalivha wrote:
Kavekk, do I not get you because I am too tired?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
Or are you saying BrownDuck is being hypocritical, in general?
He's asking for evidence when he refuses to give any. It's tangential to the argument, though.
P.S. You should probably sleep sometime :P I've had six hours and woken up.
Totally different conversation, dip ****. If someone claims they can organize a budget for a set sum of money, they should be able to to illustrate such. Obtaining meaningful statistics on welfare fraud is exponentially more difficult, mostly because if it were so easy to identify welfare fraud, it would be easy to eliminate it as well.
Look, it's not my fault you're an idiot. Quit trying to pass the blame as such.
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Excruciating pain. It started an hour ago, usually lasts two or three hours. When it's over, I'll drop dead.
I've slept 1 1/2 hours already, then it started.
I've slept 1 1/2 hours already, then it started.
Muscle pains or headache? That's pretty lame either way =/
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Totally different conversation, dip sh*t. If someone claims they can organize a budget for a set sum of money, they should be able to to illustrate such. Obtaining meaningful statistics on welfare fraud is exponentially more difficult, mostly because if it were so easy to identify welfare fraud, it would be easy to eliminate it as well.
Look, it's not my fault you're an idiot. Quit trying to pass the blame as such.
Look, it's not my fault you're an idiot. Quit trying to pass the blame as such.
See, that's your problem for taking a stance without evidence to support it (which is the wrong way to go about it). As a consequence, you have no argument. It's certainly not my problem.
Look, it's not my fault you're an idiot. Quit trying to pass the blame to me for your unsupported position.
Kavekk wrote:
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Excruciating pain. It started an hour ago, usually lasts two or three hours. When it's over, I'll drop dead.
I've slept 1 1/2 hours already, then it started.
I've slept 1 1/2 hours already, then it started.
Muscle pains or headache? That's pretty lame either way =/
Joint pain. It's getting better already.
Really need to get this checked out, but it only occurs once every few weeks. Plus I don't want the doctor telling me I have arthritis or some ********* that would make me feel olde.
Carry on. Your silly argument is distracting.
His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
If you are going to complain to customer service at the grocery store about your welfare check card being overdrawn or whatever and making me wait; do NOT pull out a brand new @#%^ing Blackberry Pearl and call the Welfare office.
Why are you on Welfare with a $200 phone (with plan) and a minimum bill of $99 a month?
lolAmerica
Why are you on Welfare with a $200 phone (with plan) and a minimum bill of $99 a month?
lolAmerica
On the upside, at least she hasn't sold it for drugs yet.
You ARE talking about one of them minorities, right?
As for the food thing, I once spent six months living on about $60 a month for food. It's amazing what things cost when you're willing to buy food that's almost completely unprocessed and put a lot of time into cooking it. And if you're willing to live on beans, rice and homemade tortillas most of the week(hand to god, I used to make homemade tortillas 3 mornings a week), that doesn't hurt either.
Not the healthiest way to live, but based on the $100 budget, I'd have had a lot of money for additional food variety to fill in the gap.
It's all a matter of how much time you're willing to spend cooking.
At the time, I didn't have a choice. It was either spend time making my own food or starve. I know for a fact it can be done.
Nowadays, sometimes microwaving something is too much work.
NixNot wrote:
As for a phone, that's negligible. I can understand that a phone is still a "luxury" item, but depending on your job and circumstances, a phone may be a necessity.
And to say that poor people don't need much medicine or doctor fees... wow... just wow.
And to say that poor people don't need much medicine or doctor fees... wow... just wow.
I didn't say that. I responded to the list of things you talked about. You presented a "Complex Question" fallacy by including two things that are not horribly expensive yet many people overspend on, and one thing that is necessary (but on which many people also overspend on, but that's another subject), as though they were equivalent items in a list.
By saying they don't need "much of those", I was speaking of the two items on the list which don't cost much and/or aren't needed much (clothes/phone).
As to the medical care. Of course they need that. But only to the degree that they actually need it. Most people earning at or near minimum wage are in their teens and early 20s. Most people in that age range don't require much if any medical care. An occasional over the counter medication is sufficient. We can have a separate discussion of socialized medicine if you want, but that's not the same as welfare, which was the topic of this discussion. You are also bringing in another issue as a distraction. Hence why I blew off that part of your question...
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Aripyanfar wrote:
OMGZ! Perception doesn't match reality? It can't be!!!
That direction to look at median/vs mean averages wasn't addressed to you, you twit.
And my response wasn't aimed at you either. Your post just made me think to go looking for data measured in median instead of mean and I stumbled across a page with the exact information relevant to the whole "All the jobs in South Dakota only pay $7/hour" argument.
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I mean it about that diabetes thing tho. Just shift some of your calorie intake, especially protein intake, further forward in your sleep wake cycle, k?
I don't eat super high calorie foods. Also, my sleep cycle is a bit later than most. I don't tend to go to bed until 2 or 3 in the morning. So eating a dinner at 7 or 8 PM isn't putting me in any danger. Also, I'll repeat what was stated earlier, when you overeat certain sugars isn't relevant. It's the habitual spike of said foods that may lead to diabetes. I'll also point out that this is most prevalent when consuming processed foods. The additives and preservatives and "fillers" often contain exactly the chemicals which can cause this to happen.
A diet of corn dogs for lunch, packaged mac and cheese for dinner, and boxed pastries for breakfast is going to increase your risk of diabetes over your lifetime dramatically. I don't think eating plain grilled chicken breasts over rice or pasta is putting me in much danger...
But thanks for the vote of concern. :)
Edited, Jan 20th 2009 2:52pm by gbaji
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