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#52 Jan 17 2009 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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If you are on any sort of welfare you should not have a cell phone. If someone bought you the phone as if paying your bill then they should stop and give you grocery money instead. Having a cell phone is not a right, its a privilege.

In a perfect world, someone would go to this cnuts house say "hey, you're on welfare and I have here, a cell phone bill". Then smash the phone in her face and say "not yours" and leave.






Do you seriously expect anyone to not at least have the bare minimum cell phone (pre-paid). When I hired people, I put their application in the filing cabinet if they didn't have a cell phone on their app.


I'm fairly well off (now that I'm an adult) and don't have a cell phone. And I won't get one. If I'm not at a phone, I don't want people getting ahold of me. :)
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His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
If you are on any sort of welfare you should not have a cell phone. If someone bought you the phone as if paying your bill then they should stop and give you grocery money instead. Having a cell phone is not a right, its a privilege.

In a perfect world, someone would go to this cnuts house say "hey, you're on welfare and I have here, a cell phone bill". Then smash the phone in her face and say "not yours" and leave.






How the fUck am I supposed to go about finding work or receiving a call about when my door is getting fixed without some sort of phone/computer?
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When I hired people, I put their application in the filing cabinet if they didn't have a cell phone on their app.
lolwhat? Seriously? I can't fathom an idea as to why you would not hire someone for not owning a cell phone. Don't get em wrong, I can see the benefits of employees having a cell phone, so you can get a hold of them at any time, maybe to fill a shift or what have you, but to not hire someone based on not having one? With the limited supply of quality employees out there, I'd not let something as mundane as a cell phone be a deciding factor of interview or not.
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People did fine without cellphones for thousands of years. Until they get their *** off welfare, no triple play HD cable service @ $150 a month and no ******* cellphone.

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how is she supposed to work minimum wage and manage to pay for childcare, rent, food, utilities, transportation, and other expenses?


The retroactive answer is to not have kids if you can't afford it. For those who end up in the situation unwittingly, I say to them, get a second job, do whatever it takes. The problem with welfare in its current state in the U.S. is that it is not conducive to partial employment - if you have even a part time job, your income often disqualifies you from the most needed help. This system forces people to either quit their job or lose welfare. Guess which choice most people make?

It's a system that breeds slackers and is a drain on society.


How are you supposed to work two jobs and be a single parent? I'm not talking about your situation with your sister either. Working two jobs with an infant?[/quote]

If you have an infant and no family / friends to support you, then you should give the child up for adoption. Furthermore, someone should slap the **** out of you and sew your ****** shut for being stupid in the first place.
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All I know is when the hubby and I needed help the most, we didn't get it. We had decent jobs then and we have even better jobs now. I know what I pay in daycare and can't imagine that the girl at Bath and Body Works (who has preggo at the same time as me) pays too. We could still use help, and we have decent salaries. I feel for those who don't, but they get help.

Edited, Jan 17th 2009 9:36pm by eiran


And that's unfortunate. Arbitrary ceilings on income allow many to slip through the cracks. Some of these people that are the most in need come from sh*tty backgrounds. They have no education beyond high school (if even that). Sure they should pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Yeah, they should take responsibility for their actions. For many however, it is too late. Because of my stupidity during my teens/early twenties, it is incredibly hard for me to find a job. Having even a blemish on a criminal record or credit history can pretty much get you knocked out of any meaningful interview. Is it fair? No. Does it happen? Yes.

Some people are lazy. Many have no other recourse.


Most people were stupid when they were younger. It all depends on circumstances. And just so you know, my hubby did some not smart stuff when he was a MARINE... Yeah that was smart. We managed to rise above and fix all his stupidity and mine. Now, this economy, random happenings later. I still see people benefiting and we don't because we meet the tax bracket.

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Kalivha wrote:
His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
If you are on any sort of welfare you should not have a cell phone. If someone bought you the phone as if paying your bill then they should stop and give you grocery money instead. Having a cell phone is not a right, its a privilege.

In a perfect world, someone would go to this cnuts house say "hey, you're on welfare and I have here, a cell phone bill". Then smash the phone in her face and say "not yours" and leave.






How the fU am I supposed to go about finding work or receiving a call about when my door is getting fixed without some sort of phone/computer?
Haha, handwritten CVs.


Call Verizon, say I want a dial tone and a number. Your bill will be $4.95 a month.

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#59 Jan 17 2009 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR wrote:
Paskil wrote:
His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
If you are on any sort of welfare you should not have a cell phone. If someone bought you the phone as if paying your bill then they should stop and give you grocery money instead. Having a cell phone is not a right, its a privilege.

In a perfect world, someone would go to this cnuts house say "hey, you're on welfare and I have here, a cell phone bill". Then smash the phone in her face and say "not yours" and leave.






Do you seriously expect anyone to not at least have the bare minimum cell phone (pre-paid). When I hired people, I put their application in the filing cabinet if they didn't have a cell phone on their app.


I'm fairly well off (now that I'm an adult) and don't have a cell phone. And I won't get one. If I'm not at a phone, I don't want people getting ahold of me. :)


It's all well and good to not own a phone by choice. Times are a changing. How am I supposed to receive the call back for a job if I am out applying for more jobs? In this climate, the employer simply picks up the next application off the stack.

Edited, Jan 17th 2009 9:53pm by Paskil
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If you have an infant and no family / friends to support you, then you should give the child up for adoption. Furthermore, someone should slap the sh*t out of you and sew your ****** shut for being stupid in the first place.
Nice.


In case you couldn't hear it, that was sarcasm. I gotta be honest Stubs, that's up there as one fo the dumbest things I've ever heard.
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#61 Jan 17 2009 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
Kalivha wrote:
His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
If you are on any sort of welfare you should not have a cell phone. If someone bought you the phone as if paying your bill then they should stop and give you grocery money instead. Having a cell phone is not a right, its a privilege.

In a perfect world, someone would go to this cnuts house say "hey, you're on welfare and I have here, a cell phone bill". Then smash the phone in her face and say "not yours" and leave.






How the fU am I supposed to go about finding work or receiving a call about when my door is getting fixed without some sort of phone/computer?
Haha, handwritten CVs.


Call Verizon, say I want a dial tone and a number. Your bill will be $4.95 a month.

Pres-@#%^ing-to.


It's odd, some people I know refuse to get a land line. And instead just get everyone in the family cellphones...
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It's all well and good to not own a phone by choice. Times are a changing. How am I supposed to receive the call back for a job if I am out applying for more jobs? In this climate, the employer simply picks up the next application off the stack.


This is why teenagers should not be given cellphones. It's breeding a culture of people who find themselves lost without one.

It's called ******* voicemail.

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#63 Jan 17 2009 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have an infant and no family / friends to support you, then you should give the child up for adoption. Furthermore, someone should slap the sh*t out of you and sew your ****** shut for being stupid in the first place.
Nice.


In case you couldn't hear it, that was sarcasm. I gotta be honest Stubs, that's up there as one fo the dumbest things I've ever heard.


Really? I thought that was a good reason to give a kid up for adoption. Not being able to provide for it in any way?
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#64 Jan 17 2009 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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All I know is when the hubby and I needed help the most, we didn't get it. We had decent jobs then and we have even better jobs now. I know what I pay in daycare and can't imagine that the girl at Bath and Body Works (who has preggo at the same time as me) pays too. We could still use help, and we have decent salaries. I feel for those who don't, but they get help.

Edited, Jan 17th 2009 9:36pm by eiran


And that's unfortunate. Arbitrary ceilings on income allow many to slip through the cracks. Some of these people that are the most in need come from sh*tty backgrounds. They have no education beyond high school (if even that). Sure they should pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Yeah, they should take responsibility for their actions. For many however, it is too late. Because of my stupidity during my teens/early twenties, it is incredibly hard for me to find a job. Having even a blemish on a criminal record or credit history can pretty much get you knocked out of any meaningful interview. Is it fair? No. Does it happen? Yes.

Some people are lazy. Many have no other recourse.


Most people were stupid when they were younger. It all depends on circumstances. And just so you know, my hubby did some not smart stuff when he was a MARINE... Yeah that was smart. We managed to rise above and fix all his stupidity and mine. Now, this economy, random happenings later. I still see people benefiting and we don't because we meet the tax bracket.



It's difficult to iron out multiple misdemeanors.
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Uglysasquatch, ****** Superhero wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:
If you have an infant and no family / friends to support you, then you should give the child up for adoption. Furthermore, someone should slap the sh*t out of you and sew your ****** shut for being stupid in the first place.
Nice.


In case you couldn't hear it, that was sarcasm. I gotta be honest Stubs, that's up there as one fo the dumbest things I've ever heard.


Yeah teh whole sew your ****** shut thing was sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell. The suggestion for adoption is real, however. There is absolutely no point in allowing someone who is incapable of raising a child to continue raising said child.
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Really? I thought that was a good reason to give a kid up for adoption. Not being able to provide for it in any way?
Let's look at Darq as an example. Kicked out of her house by her husband/boyfriend while pregnant, used welfare to get back on her feet. Now, she's doing ti all by herself, without government handouts. My girlfriend did the exact same thing. You think her kid would've been better off in someone else's home?
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If your excuse as to why you can not join the workforce is no cellphone then you should be shot and body donated to science.

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The suggestion for adoption is real, however. There is absolutely no point in allowing someone who is incapable of raising a child to continue raising said child.
This is the part I was commenting on.
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Really? I thought that was a good reason to give a kid up for adoption. Not being able to provide for it in any way?
Let's look at Darq as an example. Kicked out of her house by her husband/boyfriend while pregnant, used welfare to get back on her feet. Now, she's doing ti all by herself, without government handouts. My girlfriend did the exact same thing. You think her kid would've been better off in someone else's home?


There are always exceptions to the rule. The rules should not be based on exceptions, however.
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Paskil wrote:
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All I know is when the hubby and I needed help the most, we didn't get it. We had decent jobs then and we have even better jobs now. I know what I pay in daycare and can't imagine that the girl at Bath and Body Works (who has preggo at the same time as me) pays too. We could still use help, and we have decent salaries. I feel for those who don't, but they get help.

Edited, Jan 17th 2009 9:36pm by eiran


And that's unfortunate. Arbitrary ceilings on income allow many to slip through the cracks. Some of these people that are the most in need come from sh*tty backgrounds. They have no education beyond high school (if even that). Sure they should pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Yeah, they should take responsibility for their actions. For many however, it is too late. Because of my stupidity during my teens/early twenties, it is incredibly hard for me to find a job. Having even a blemish on a criminal record or credit history can pretty much get you knocked out of any meaningful interview. Is it fair? No. Does it happen? Yes.

Some people are lazy. Many have no other recourse.


Most people were stupid when they were younger. It all depends on circumstances. And just so you know, my hubby did some not smart stuff when he was a MARINE... Yeah that was smart. We managed to rise above and fix all his stupidity and mine. Now, this economy, random happenings later. I still see people benefiting and we don't because we meet the tax bracket.



It's difficult to iron out multiple misdemeanors.


Thank goodness that wasn't the case. Wait I mean, damn. I would get way more insurance money if it was.... If I only hadn't threatened that chick who liked him.
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There are always exceptions to the rule. The rules should not be based on exceptions, however.
In this case, yea it should. Welfare isn't supposed to be lifetime thing. Yes, there are people out there abusing it, but we shouldn't let the people who just need help for a short while lose the benefit, because of those abusing it.
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#72 Jan 17 2009 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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If your excuse as to why you can not join the workforce is no cellphone then you should be shot and body donated to science.



No one said this Sora. You have the benefit of having a fairly stable job position. Right now is an incredibly bad time to be out job hunting. So many people are poaching the open jobs, it is especially easy for employers to cherry pick the app pile.

If you were hiring someone and you had two applicants, both having equal experience in the field, would you hire the one that was fired from their last job and has a criminal record or would you choose the other one (or one of the other 10 people applying for the same position) that was clean? I need to answer the phone. I deactivated my cell phone because I wasn't sure if I qualified for unemployment. I filed my original claim 12/14. I received a call from a lady looking to give me a final questions interview to decide on my claim Thursday.

Because I was out job hunting, I have to wait for her to call back in the 15 minute window surrounding 11AM this Tuesday. If I had been approved Thursday, I would probably have a check or two instead of sitting around waiting for a call.

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Really? I thought that was a good reason to give a kid up for adoption. Not being able to provide for it in any way?
Let's look at Darq as an example. Kicked out of her house by her husband/boyfriend while pregnant, used welfare to get back on her feet. Now, she's doing ti all by herself, without government handouts. My girlfriend did the exact same thing. You think her kid would've been better off in someone else's home?


Didn't Darqflame say she had support from her Father (He did pay for the cellphone right?)

The example was put forth in response to not being able to care for a child while working. No family to help watch the kid while you are at work, or trying to find a job. My Mother frequently babysits her sister's kid while she is at work (She works two jobs).

Do I know they would have been better of in the care of another family? Not exactly. But I think it's safe bet to say that if the child were put into a stable family with an income of 50,000USD that they wouldn't have been worse off.

My Aunt adopted her niece's son because she had no means of supporting him. Single, no job, etc, etc. He's perfectly fine. Other than his new mother is hardcore christian, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for raising a young child.

Edited, Jan 17th 2009 10:08pm by TirithRR
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Really? I thought that was a good reason to give a kid up for adoption. Not being able to provide for it in any way?
Let's look at Darq as an example. Kicked out of her house by her husband/boyfriend while pregnant, used welfare to get back on her feet. Now, she's doing ti all by herself, without government handouts. My girlfriend did the exact same thing. You think her kid would've been better off in someone else's home?


Didn't Darqflame say she had support from her Father (He did pay for the cellphone right?)

The example was put forth in response to not being able to care for a child while working. No family to help watch the kid while you are at work, or trying to find a job. My Mother frequently babysits her sister's kid while she is at work (She works two jobs).

Do I know they would have been better of in the care of another family? Not exactly. But I think it's safe bet to say that if the child were put into a stable family with an income of 50,000USD that they wouldn't have been worse off.

My Aunt gave adopted her niece's son because she had no means of supporting him. Single, no job, etc, etc. He's perfectly fine. Other than his new mother is hardcore christian, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for raising a young child.


It's also fairly likely that a child put into the adoption system would end up bouncing from foster home to foster home. It could be argued that it would be better to raise the kid in a lacking household than the emotional scarring caused by constant moving.

Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but Tailmon is a @#%^ing idiot. Of course there will be fundamental issues with a program where you hand someone money. Anyone who thinks that welfare shouldn't exist is beyond logic.

Edited, Jan 17th 2009 10:10pm by Paskil

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#75REDACTED, Posted: Jan 17 2009 at 7:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Welfare is just wrong. I've seen to much abuse of the system. I once found a pocket book with 5 different ID's in it. This was from one of my neighbors living in section 8 housing and on welfare. The police rather liked it when I called them to pick it up. She vanished about a week later never to bother the hood again.
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If your excuse as to why you can not join the workforce is no cellphone then you should be shot and body donated to science.



Guess what? Landlines and Internet aren't available in my house. At all. (Neither is Cable TV. But my TV set is in a cupboard anyways.)
If I had a choice, I'd take a real landline & Internet of any kind on a computer over a ******* PDA phone any day of the week. But I don't have a ******* choice, apart from ensuring I get kicked out of this flat in the hope I get one where I can get those.

Welfare is no fun at all, not if you have any sort of standard.
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