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#1 Apr 21 2010 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
What key specs are most important? What can I tell from what it's called (some have numbers in the 9000's but don't seem nearly as good as ones that start with hd [and is there a standard across the industry for the number in the name?])?

I don't need a detailed guide, just some key points.
#2 Apr 21 2010 at 7:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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First look at what your computer can support. What kind of slot do you have? If you have a Radeon 9000 series, then it'd be AGP, which will certainly narrow your options down. Second, your power supply can potentially be a limiting factor. Many cards now require an additional power connection, and will consume a fair amount of power. Many consumer desktops from companies like Dell or HP come with very modest power supplies that may not be capable of supporting a power-hungry card. Space may also be a concern, since the further up the product lines you go, often, the cards get physically bigger (to a point) and harder to fit into a case.

Second, to a point, decide what level of performance you need and/or a budget to work with. IE, if you only play a few older games, then you don't exactly need a $700 card, but you'll probably benefit from something in the $100+ range at least.
The size of your monitor can also play into this, since it takes considerably more horsepower to max out settings at 1920x1200 than it does at 1024x768 (as an example).

Model numbers don't tend to tell you that much if you are unfamiliar with the product line. I mean, within a given lineup, usually, the higher the number the better. Often you will have a larger number that denotes the entire series, IE, Radeon HD5000. Then the overall tier, such as HD5400, HD5700, HD5800, etc. Inside those, you'd find individual models, such as the HD5450, HD5750 and HD5770, HD5850 and HD5870. Logically, a 5850 is better than a 5770, which is better than a 5450 (by quite a lot), and so on. However, you're better off doing some research to get a general idea of the type of performance that the models give.

In terms of specs, there are usually two big ones that will vary. The actual GPU, which is typically denoted by the model number, and the amount of memory the card has. Most of the time a given GPU will have maybe a couple memory configurations, IE, 512MB or 1GB.
Secondary to that would be how fast those items are clocked, and for some cards (usually more on the low end), the type of memory used (and possibly in turn the memory bus width).

90% of the time, the clock speeds will be pretty much the same for the same model card from different companies. The rest of the time, you may have models that run slightly over, or slightly under the reference design.
If you are looking at a low end card, for one reason or another, and there are variations on the memory, for example, models with DDR2 memory and DDR3, then the higher ranked memory cards will often be notably better, albeit a little more expensive.

Most of the time though, you'll combine what you can put in your computer + budget, and narrow things down to a handful of cards. The individual features/specs of a particular model line might come into play at that point, but for gaming, usually it's just a matter of finding what card performs the best unless you have a very specific want/need for another factor.

Here is a buyer's guide that has some picks per price point. At the very least, the hierarchy chart at the end can give you a general idea of where a given card stands.
#3 Apr 21 2010 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nvidia cards, which I tend to prefer recently switched over numbering schemes, making things more confusing. The primary indicator of card type are the text abbreviations. A nvidia Geforce "gt" card is the lower end cards, a Geforce "GTX" is ther higher end gaming card line, and the Quadro line is their workstation cards (you don't want a quadro) From there, the numbering scheme goes like this:

8xxx - Nvidia 8th generation cards. dirst generation to support PhysX 3d accelleration, 8800 GTX being the higher end (there is also an 8800 Ultra)
9xxx - 9th generation
2xx - 10th Generation. For example, a 280GTX was the first 200 series GTX card. A 260 GTX is the mid range, a 295 GTX is the high end.
there are no 3xx cards at this time
4xx - Current state of the art. The 480 GTX was just released, and is theoretically the fastest video card of the line.
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#4 Apr 23 2010 at 5:49 AM Rating: Good
So $250 or so at newegg/tigerdirect = fairly good?

I can blow about about $300 total, but this is a bought computer, and I'm pretty sure I'm already taxing my power supply as it is, so I'll need to upgrade that too.

On a side note, will asking too much out of my power supply diminish the performance of my card, or just shut my computer down?
#5 Apr 23 2010 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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So $250 or so at newegg/tigerdirect = fairly good?

I can blow about about $300 total, but this is a bought computer, and I'm pretty sure I'm already taxing my power supply as it is, so I'll need to upgrade that too.

On a side note, will asking too much out of my power supply diminish the performance of my card, or just shut my computer down?


Yeah, $250 should get you a pretty good card, though it depends on the rest of the system as to whether you'd get the full use out of it.

If your PSU isn't adequate, it'll cause system stability problems, not simply reduce the performance of the video card. It's better to err on the side of caution when selecting one. Generally speaking, the PSU is a common place for people to skimp where they really shouldn't. Quality is important. If the PSU is flakey, your whole system will be flakey.
#6 Apr 23 2010 at 11:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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So $250 or so at newegg/tigerdirect = fairly good?

I can blow about about $300 total, but this is a bought computer, and I'm pretty sure I'm already taxing my power supply as it is, so I'll need to upgrade that too.

On a side note, will asking too much out of my power supply diminish the performance of my card, or just shut my computer down?


If you exceed your power supply rating, keeping in mind that many power supplies have a small hidden reserve, your computer will simply not power up. anything under a 525 watt needs replacing before you attempt to run a newer video card. 525 is likely pushing the envelope, but might work. 600 watt will work if you have minimal additional hardware (drives, fans, etc) 650 is about the low end of the safe bet. I'd try looking for a high efficiency 700 watt.
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#7 Apr 24 2010 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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It depends on by just how much. Most video cards (and some other hardware) won't necessarily pull their full power draw at boot. You won't see the full power use until you fire up a game or something. If you're kind of on the line for idle power use, then that may result in a booting computer that then crashes when you try to run a game.

500W may be fine, depending on the card (I'm running an HD4850, four internal HDDs, etc on one)...but if you're buying one, may as well go bigger. Larger than 600-700W is really only needed for SLI/Crossfire though.
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Yes, with the caveat that you have to be reeeeeely careful buying video cards on ebay. it is easy to get screwed on newer hardware by scammers, and most of the time Ebay won't do **** about it. I speak with the voice of experiance on that one. I will nto buy a high dollar component on ebay ever again.
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#10 Apr 27 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
Ended up going with a 285 for about $250 and a 600W supply for about $35.

Thanks for all your help, everyone, and wish me luck with the ebay situation.
#11 Apr 27 2010 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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Personally I'd recommend a Radeon 5850 for that price range. It's very power and heat efficient, and not to mention plenty strong. I got mine for $280.

It'll perform just as well, if not better, than the 285.

Edited, Apr 27th 2010 9:15am by Deadgye
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#12 May 02 2010 at 4:27 AM Rating: Good
That went well. I broke my hard drive (not sure how badly). The power supply only had one SATA dongly (my fault for not checking). And the card might not fit.

In regards to the hard drive, do I need to have it in SATA1 on the mobo if it's the system drive?

Well, glad I didn't scrap the old PC for parts.

If the hard drive is toast, I'm dreading to see how much microsoft wants to soak me for 7.

Edited, May 2nd 2010 6:31am by Lubriderm
#13 May 02 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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sata drives can be in any slot on the board. You probably just need to reset the boot order on the motherboard bios. That or check the cables and ensure that drive has power and data and motherboard has data akk the way plugged in.

If you can see it from bios, drive itself is probably not toast.
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#14 May 03 2010 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
The cables are what I'm worried about. I broke the little piece of plastic that more or less provides the compression needed keep the cables secured. I might just bring to my local computer fixin' people (***** the geek squad), and see if they can either fix it or at least transfer the stuff to another drive. If the price is right, I may just have them do the whole GPU install too. I have shaky hands that run it the family, and it's not conducive to computer building, I guess.
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wait a minute. How did you break the hard drive? You broke the piece of plastic on what?

If you are trying to upgrade a pre-built computer, like an HP or Dell or something, there is a very good possibility the 285 wont fit in the tower. I bought a whole new case when i bought my gtx 260 because its so huge, and it still barely fits.
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You broke the sata connector? Ouch. That isn't good. You are most likely incredably screwed now if you needed any data on that drive. If you can find someone with the skills they might be able to do something tricky with a USB to sata connector, or worst case scenario, solder on the leads, but your chances of that are low. I've done the latter, it is not fun.
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#17 May 04 2010 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
KTurner, it fits, there is a space conflict, but it can be worked around. The GPU goes right over the SATA1 and SATA2 ports on the mobo, there are 6 total, so I should be OK there.

Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
You broke the sata connector? Ouch. That isn't good. You are most likely incredably screwed now if you needed any data on that drive. If you can find someone with the skills they might be able to do something tricky with a USB to sata connector, or worst case scenario, solder on the leads, but your chances of that are low. I've done the latter, it is not fun.

Not the connector itself, just the little backplate that provides the compression needed to keep the cables firmly in there. All the little copper prongs are still there and all, and I can make the cables stay, but a slight jostle will knock them loose.

Another question: This computer's HD has Vista 64 on it. If I just plug it into that computer, will windows just adjust? I know I'll probably need to call MS for a new activation code, but other than that?

How about this: I buy a sata external enclosure and it snugly fits. Can I boot from an external? At least long enough to get it all onto a new HD?

Yes, I'm a tard for not making a restore disk.

It's funny seeing this thread with the 'hot' flame icon.
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Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
Not the connector itself, just the little backplate that provides the compression needed to keep the cables firmly in there. All the little copper prongs are still there and all, and I can make the cables stay, but a slight jostle will knock them loose.

That's what electrical tape is for.
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#19 May 04 2010 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
Not the connector itself, just the little backplate that provides the compression needed to keep the cables firmly in there. All the little copper prongs are still there and all, and I can make the cables stay, but a slight jostle will knock them loose.

That's what electrical tape is for.


No kidding. Sounds like you should be able to rig something up that keeps it in place. Be creative. I dont think buying a new HD is necessary, unless you want one.
#20 May 04 2010 at 10:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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a 32 bit operating system can read a 64 bit drive just fine. 64 bit programs are only different in that they run on the other half of the CPU not available to 32 bit. The data will be accessable to whatever OS you plug it into

If you do data transfer from ahrd drives more than once in a while, these come in handy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153071&cm_re=sata_drive_dock-_-17-153-071-_-Product
(example, plenty of other units and price options)
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#21 Oct 26 2010 at 12:38 AM Rating: Default
Choose a video card that compatible with
your PC requirements..
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