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#1 Jul 23 2009 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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Lately (last 2 months or so), if I go afk with WoW in full screen mode, after 30-45min the screen will go to screensaver, but when i come back, I cannot get the screen to show the desktop or the game. The screen is on, but will just remain black. A simple reboot fixes it though.


Now, yesterday, I went afk and fell asleep with WoW on. My girlfriend was the next to come back the computer and when she turned it on, on the desktop there were a ton of multicolored lines running vertical on my screen. All about 1pixil thick, they are spaced out. Sometimes they are pink sometimes green, just depends, and when I tried to start WoW the computer rebooted (think this may be a blue screen and I just have the option to reboot when it happens checked).

I shoudl mention, when I turn the PC on, in the startup and BIOS these lines are not there. They do not show up until you get to the User login screen for XP.

So I pulled out the graphics and the fan was pretty dusty. So I am hoping maybe a good case cleaning would fix this. I only had enough air to clean out the Graphic fan, and when I put it back in, it seems to work normal. Fan works very well, I dont see smoke, it isn't hot etc.

Wondering how and what I can do to pinpoint whats wrong once I get all the dust out.

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#2 Jul 23 2009 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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You basically solved the problem, your video card was overheating from the dust and being left on too long. How much damage was done by the heat I can't tell, but it's a good idea to start planning for a backup card.
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#3 Jul 23 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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Ugh. i mean... I could use a new one, I am barely getting by with my 6600... but ugh.



So, its possible there was just enough damage done to it, though no noticable physical damage?


And, apart from getting qtips and a **** ton of air to all the crevices, is there anything else I can do?


Worse comes to worse I'll throw the badboy in the oven for 5minutes on 300. Read online that can help on a card that is on its last legs. (something about it remelts some parts so that they made proper conductivity)

more about it here: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1421792

That is a last ditched effort though.
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So I came back from work and my GF went to Best Buy and bought me a


PNY GeForce GTS 250 XLR8 performance edition. Price wasn't horrid? 175$

a 550w Power supply BFG ATX12v for 76$(huge rippoff I think).


Now.... I am not sure if I need the new supply. My old one is a Delta Electronics model DPS-360DB, but I cannot find the power range...


Halp?
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#5 Jul 23 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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MYteddy wrote:
Worse comes to worse I'll throw the badboy in the oven for 5minutes on 300. Read online that can help on a card that is on its last legs. (something about it remelts some parts so that they made proper conductivity)

more about it here: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1421792

That is a last ditched effort though.



Okay...

So you're gonna fix the video card with the heat damage by baking it?


As for the power supply you have a 360w one now so yes you should keep the new 550w one otherwise your PC won't have enough power to get the new card running.
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#7 Jul 23 2009 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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Downloading that.


Update, I turned off the Restart on BSoD.


Got a BSoD upon it tryign to startup WoW (can make this happen everytime)

Caused by: nv4_disp

Stop 0X000000EA
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Boot into Safe Mode with networking and download and install the newest Nvidia driver for your new card.
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I didnt go to safe mode... but I did download the latest driver before I read this.


Didnt help anything.


I downloaded speed fan, and it wouldnt tell me the voltage but thank you Shao that was informative.

Another thing though, it shows all my temperature levels at normal, not sure if that matters.


I went to install the power supply... but it is screwed in with these special screws.... guess I need to go to home depot...?


I want to confirm as well, I will have to have my new power supply in before I can put in the Graphics card right?


And, will I be okay downloading the latest drivers for the card now, save it on the desktop, then when I put in the new card, boot up, use the .exe then restart and be good?

Edited, Jul 23rd 2009 1:49pm by MYteddy
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I'll note that the computer works fine (other than these damn annoying lines) and only seems to BSoD when 3D effects come into play. *shrug* But I can go to youtube, w/e and still watch.
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#11 Jul 23 2009 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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I boot into safe mode... the lines are gone.

So, trying the whole uninstall drivers then reinstall thing again.
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MYteddy wrote:
I went to install the power supply... but it is screwed in with these special screws.... guess I need to go to home depot...?


I want to confirm as well, I will have to have my new power supply in before I can put in the Graphics card right?


And, will I be okay downloading the latest drivers for the card now, save it on the desktop, then when I put in the new card, boot up, use the .exe then restart and be good?


You should be able to use a small flat tip screwdriver if they are the hex or star shaped ***** heads. Yes you will have to put the new power supply in first then the card.

As for the card, you need to uninstall the old video drivers first. In Windows go Start Menu > Settings > Control Panel > System Properties, then click the Hardware Tab and then Device Manager. Find "Display Adapters" in the list and click the "+" next to it, right click each card listed and select "Uninstall Driver".

After you do that you will have to restart the PC, do so and let it go into Windows. The PC will now be running on the default settings so it will have large icons, text, etc. Find the new driver installer you downloaded and run it. After it finishes shut down your PC and install the new card. Then turn on the PC and adjust you display settings to your preference when you get back to Windows.
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If it's only the 3-D effects you need to go to Microsoft's website and download the newest version of DirectX and install it also.
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#14 Jul 23 2009 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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Havent started installing yet, this is still all old parts.


Went into Safe mode and uninstalled the driver.

Rebooted and it came back as you said, big icons, etc etc. There were no lines.


I reinstalled the driver and upon completion the lines came back.


What I am basically trying to do, is see if there is any other thing I can try that would make the existing card work (read: dont want to open 280$ of parts if I dont have to). Or is it safe to say that it has pretty much con kablooey and I need to start installing the new items?


Oh and it is the star shaped screws (looks like a star of david, but with flat heal lines on the North/South star tips). The problem, is the two flat heads I have, one is to big, other is just to small...



I'll wait for your reply on this one before I uninstall the driver again, and put in the new parts.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2009 2:22pm by MYteddy
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So, i was googling and feel I should of mentioned this...


I have a HP d530 CMT and from what I read, it has a somewhat custom PSU setup and that most standard ATX PSU (which I have:BFG ATX12v 550w) will not fit. I am not wanting to unopen it to see, find out, then pay a 15% restocking fee to return it.


I am also, since this PC is older, wanting to make sure the PNG GeForce GTS 250 1024MB will fit and work and is compatible.
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What brand and model is your old card?

As for the screws since you don't have a small one available, you might as well take a ***** to Home Depot and get a matching one. Then use it and return it, claim it was the wrong type. Smiley: grin
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Is it a PCI Slot video card? If so it will fix all current computers, it's the AGP and PCI-E that require special slots and the older motherboards can't handle the 8x AGP cards and don't have PCI-E slots.

Oh yeah, Best Buy never charges a restocking fee, at least for me.
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His tower has AGP. So you gotta make sure your new card is AGP.
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Stupid double post.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2009 6:26pm by Shaowstrike
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His tower has AGP. So you gotta make sure your new card is AGP.


Thanks. I googled that card his gf got him and most of the ones I saw were PCI-E so it's a good thing he didn't open it yet.
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My old card was a Nvidia Geforce 6600 GT

My mobo I have no idea. I think it is stock as it has HP logo on it.


Basically here is my problem, I need to make sure that the new card will work, and that my new PSU will fit (which it wont as I think the shape is different than what I have in my case.)

I think the card will work as the requirements on the back say: PCI-E or PCI-E2.0 compliant one dual width x16 graphics slot.


Nvidia's site says the 6600: PCI Express AGP 8X


I googled x16 graphics slot and I dont have one of those on my mobo. Going by this: http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=27244&iid=178013,00.asp

I have my 6600 plugged into a AGP slot, and on my board there are 4 PCI slots below. I see nothing resembling a x16

Edited, Jul 23rd 2009 3:39pm by MYteddy
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correct, that means your 6600 is an AGP card, meaning you need to get another AGP card.
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A PCI-E slot looks like a black version of a PCI slot but it's about an inch and a half longer. You are definitely going to have to take the new card back and exchange it, since the PCI and PCI-E are not interchangeable.

Give me the model number of your HP PC and I'll try to find info on what motherboard it uses. There shouldn't be an issue with the power supply plugs but you never know.
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Okay so.... **** me.


I went and returned the graphics and power supply...


Came back and inspected the mobo more...


On the mobo, there is a slot, looks exactly like the PCI-E and there is a label by it.... PCI-E x16 slot

ALSO, right above it.... is a PCI-E 1 slot.


Summation... I DO have a PCI-E x16, PCI-E 1 and PCI slots...

So... Now that I returned those... Gonna try and find a video card more within my reach and also try to not to have to upgrade the power supply.

My pc:

HP d530 CMT
the p/n: DS061A#ABA
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No matter what you will have to upgrade the power supply, graphic cards today take power directly from the power supply and nothing lower than a 450w supply will be able to support it and the rest of the PC hardware.

Sorry you had to make an unnecessary trip.
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My mobo

pic of slots: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/kristinmarieee/pc001.jpg

From top: PCI-E 1, PCI-E x16, PCI, PCI, PCI, pCI.

closer: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/kristinmarieee/pc002.jpg

old graphics(6600 gt) and where it was in case: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/kristinmarieee/pc004.jpg

PSU on the left is the end of the case. Basically, I dont think the one i had will fit because most I see are not the dimensions of this one. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/kristinmarieee/pc003.jpg


Really appreciating the help guys. I wanna try and understand this so, would I be okay now to look for a card that runs PCI-e x16 or am I still looking at AGP?
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