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#1 Nov 08 2007 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
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I have a computer that refuses to boot up. If you keep pushing the power button eventually it fires up, but it could be on the third try, usually it's on the third week. It's not so much of a problem if you never turn it off, but occasionally it crashes. It crashed again, and I finally ran out of patience trying to get it to restart and bought another computer. Unfortunately, there is data on the old computer that I would like to save.

So I took the old computer to the repair shop. They have determined that the motherboard in the computer has died and at this point it would be cheaper to buy another case and a different motherboard than trying to replace the original. That is going to run me $550+ which is way out of my budget atm.

I've researched around on the internet and it seems like it should be possible for me to install the old hard drive in my new computer as a slave drive and retrieve my data from it. Does anyone have any experience with something like this? The system hardware is fairly similar, but the new one has Vista and the old one was Windows XP. If that's a big deal I have a much older computer that also uses Windows XP and a couple of 4gig flash drives I can use to move the stuff to the new computer. If anyone can give me some tips or point me in the right direction, I'd very much appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
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#2 Nov 08 2007 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
Part of what I do for a living also involves data recovery for clients (I own my own PC repair business locally). I just had a similar incident with a client yesterday and there is a lot of software you can buy that will do this for you, even with a head crash on the drive itself. Provided the motor on the drive hasn't fried or you haven't had a physical platter crash, you can retrieve data off of it in many cases.

What I would recommend for you is either Zero Assumption Recovery or RecoverMyFiles. Both programs can retrieve a lot of data and are not very expensive. They both work on SATA, EIDE, FAT, FAT32, NTFS and various Linux partitions, as well as BeOS and others. Here are the links to each for you:

Zero Assumption Recovery (ZAR) - $49.95

RecoverMyFiles - $69.95 for product key

I used Zero Access first to see what was salvageable from the client's HDD then used Recover to actually pull the files off. Make sure you set the drive as a slave and DO NOT write anything else to that drive or you risk corrupting and overwriting any data still there.

Hope this helps.
#3 Nov 09 2007 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Wordaen, The Pumpkin King, you don't need software to slave a drive and it seems you are taking him/her down an expensive path for something very simple. Nothing personal however I prefer the free solution which is easy and takes at most 15minutes even for someone with little computer experience.

You can slave your old Windows XP drive using an IDE cable then just setting the jumpers. The place where you can get into trouble is if you set your Windows XP system to secure your information which would lock you out of your files however that is easily dodged around.

If you don't have security set on your old drive then follow these directions on dual booting a Vista/XP system and you are set to go.

http://www.theeldergeekvista.com/vista_dual_boot_installation.htm

If that link does not help simply google "Dual Boot Vista and XP" and you will literally get hundreds of hits on the process. It hasn't changed much from the old days outside of Vista no longer using a boot.ini file which makes the task just a little different.

I also do computer work for a living however I tend to not use all the fancy applications as they tend to do more harm then good in the end. I prefer to look at the problem and find the solution which will not only cost nothing or near nothing but also be a learning experience so that I can document it and know if something breaks with it "I know how to fix it because I did it not a program".

That should get you up and running, and if you ever want to migrate your applications there most certainly is instructions for that as well out in the world. Just shoot me a PM if you need any other help, I do this stuff for a living and fix hundreds of computers daily so I have a few tricks up my sleeve need the occasion arise.


Decided to edit this post to include a few other links for instructions after reading thru the others they weren't the best.
http://apcmag.com/5485/dualbooting_vista_and_xp

Useful information here as well;
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=539042&st=0


Edited, Nov 9th 2007 6:17am by xXBijiontXx
#4 Nov 09 2007 at 7:38 AM Rating: Excellent
If the drive has failed then you need software to read it. Windows may see it but if the MBR or partition is damaged then the data is not easily viewable, hence my suggestion.

note - which is how I read the OP. That the drive had failed as well as the MB.

Edited, Nov 9th 2007 7:42am by Wordaen
#5 Nov 09 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry that I wasn't clear. My understanding is that the MB is the only thing that failed. I want to take the hard drive out of the failed computer and stick it into one of my others so I can move the songs, pictures and documents I have on that hard drive to a hard drive in a different computer. I don't even want the installation to be permanent. I don't need 500Gigs of storage. I just want to move my stuff off of it.

My only real concern is that the new computer has Vista while the failed one has XP. I have a much older computer that uses XP but it's a signifigant downgrade from the hardware in the failed computer and I have heard that can cause problems.

At this time money is a concern. I'm already in to the computer guy for $45 dollars for the diagnostic. For another $60 he said he could move all the files off that computer onto another. But I'm cheap and real good at following directions, so if it's something I can do myself, that money would be better spent somewhere else.

I know several of you guys do this professionally, so any tips or information you can give is appreciated. Thanks again.
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#6 Nov 09 2007 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
Ahhh well, if the hard drive itself is fine then you don't need data recovery software. I only use that when the drive has failed and a client requests a data retrieval and the drive is seen at a hardware level but is unaccessible otherwise. Specifically a damaged/missing MBR, corrupted partition, etc etc

Otherwise, as long as you slave the drive and jack it into the box, Vista should see it and allow you to access most of it. Account profiles you may not have access to, I have seen that happen but as far as program data, you should have access to that. For profiles, you could try assigning yourself permissions if it will not let you access them. Let us know.

For the data transfer, you can use the Vista wizard for this. I have a link with a walk-through you can take a look at. Click here for it.

In your case, you are probably looking at scenario #3 for this, with the exception that instead of a CD/DVD or USB thumb drive, you are going to use your newly slaved drive. Click through the screens until you get to the selection that asks where you want to get the data from and it should allow you to choose that hard drive.

Also, incase you need it, here is a link to the MS site on some more info as well. MS Vista xfer site.
#7 Nov 09 2007 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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wow defaulted for trying to help, I am done offering any type of help.
#8 Nov 12 2007 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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if you run into a failed drive that still spins up, but windows won't recognize it, Try using a knoppix boot dvd (free download http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html). Linux is more forgiving of drive errors than XP is, so it will likely let you copy the data off to a different drive.
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