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#1 Oct 01 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
Well, I made my first priest (go me!) and so far...the solo seems to be pretty bad. At the moment all I can do is use SW:P then spam smite, also my mana drops like a rock. So, I was wondering when I manage to hit 15 if its better overall to just grind instances or try my best to solo/quest.
#2 Oct 01 2010 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are two ways to solo efficiently as a priest. Some of these abilities you won't have for a bit.

1. Level shadow. Your first 3 points go into spirit tap. Stack spirit on your gear. Pull with a DoT from max range, mind flay the mob to you, mind blast if you need to, wand or shadow word:death the last bit of the mob's health.

2. Level smite. Go holy up to searing light, and after that straight up either the disc or holy trees. Disc tends to be more mana efficient and with meditation you'll have very little downtime. Shield yourself, smite the mob. When you get holy fire, open with that.

Certainly you can queue for dungeons, but there's no reason you should have to level primarily that way. Priest leveling offers quite a bit of survivability and very little down time.

Some of this will change in a week or two, when the patch hits. Then you have to pick on tree and stick with it for a long time while leveling. But either shadow or smite leveling will still work peachy. Both the holy and disc trees will have smite talents to make soloing easy for whichever you choose.
#3 Oct 01 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
Teacake, Smite spec wants Spirit Tap, too!

Or did they change the way talents work already?
#4 Oct 01 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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In 4.0, there is no spirit tap T_T.

(but for now, yes, you want it.)
#5 Oct 01 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
Remember that in a week or so, we are getting a patch that is going to change things. You will want to re-evaluate at that time.

I leveled holy without spirit tap, and it was rough at the early levels. I just carried a lot of water. Later on I started another priest as shadow, and it was much easier for questing.

The reality is that if you try to take some talents that conserve or give back mana, carry some water, and perhaps get a good wand, it won't be as bad. You can level as any of the three specs. It doesn't hurt to try each.
#6 Oct 02 2010 at 12:29 AM Rating: Good
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The answers above are right for the next week. Then everything could be horribly wrong.

Except get a good wand. A good wand is always helpful.
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#7 Oct 02 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
The Honorable dadanox wrote:
Remember that in a week or so, we are getting a patch that is going to change things. You will want to re-evaluate at that time.

I leveled holy without spirit tap, and it was rough at the early levels. I just carried a lot of water. Later on I started another priest as shadow, and it was much easier for questing.

The reality is that if you try to take some talents that conserve or give back mana, carry some water, and perhaps get a good wand, it won't be as bad. You can level as any of the three specs. It doesn't hurt to try each.


That right there is what bothers me...I have to drink after every kill with a mob equal to me in lvl (I'm 15 right now) simply because I have to use smite so much considering it only does 30~40 damage.
#8 Oct 02 2010 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I reckon you're either exaggerating or haven't learned the newest rank of Smite. At no point in time should you need to cast Smite so often to kill a similar-level mob that you literally empty your mana pool. On the other hand, Smite is a rather inefficient spell until you get a bunch of talent points into it - you'll want to use a DOT and Mind Blast at the lower levels.
#9 Oct 02 2010 at 9:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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blademyth wrote:
That right there is what bothers me...I have to drink after every kill with a mob equal to me in lvl (I'm 15 right now) simply because I have to use smite so much considering it only does 30~40 damage.


Really, follow the advice already given about wands and get the best wand you can, update it as you level and quest, and use it freely after tossing a SW:P and either Smite or MB a time or two. Mind Blast is a decent spell with fair-to-good damage at low levels but has a long cooldown so you'll still need to be smiting/wanding until it's ready to go again.

I don't usually recommend the Auction House for gear but wands are few and far between out in the wild. So keep a close eye on the AH and you can get decent wands for upgrades at a reasonable price.

Whatever you need to rethink about your talent tree after the 4.0.1 patch comes and brings the new talent trees, the best wand you can use will still be good for you and soon be your new BFF.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 11:16pm by Moanique
#10 Oct 02 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
blademyth wrote:
I have to drink after every kill with a mob equal to me in lvl (I'm 15 right now) simply because I have to use smite so much considering it only does 30~40 damage.


I recommend playing with your rotation a bit. I'd get a nice crafted wand from an enchanter at your level. Off the top of my head, I'd try something like SW:Pain, PW: Shield, Mind Blast, Smite, Wand till Dead. By adding a wand to the end of your rotation, you conserve some of that mana you are burning by endlessly spamming smite.

With no spirit tap or other talents to boost your mana regen, you are going to drink, a lot. I actually put away my holy priest for about a year when he was in his teens. I'm very glad I came back and stuck it out.

It's going to get exciting in a little bit as we explore the new talent trees in the next few weeks. Hang in there. It gets better. Just carry plenty of water and don't worry about it. I've always used addons like Reagent Counter to automatically buy my drink when visiting the vendor. I still use them today.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 12:43am by dadanox
#11 Oct 03 2010 at 2:45 AM Rating: Good
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I am currently levelling a priest without Heirlooms and it is really painful at the low levels. Level 15, fighting a level 15 enemy. Using only Smite and Mind Blast, it drains soo much mana that even after Spirit Tap has run its course I am left with only 60% of my mana.
I am just waiting til 20 when I can get Holy Fire and Mind Flay. Holy Fire is an awesome spell.
#12 Oct 03 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
Holy Fire is an awesome spell.


Anything with an animation where fire shoots out of the target's head is, by definition, awesome.
#13 Oct 03 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Excellent
Wait... wait wait wait...

I know I came late to this party, but... 'pull with a DoT'? No. Just... no. Never do that.

Pulling with a DoT means you've instantly aggroed the beastie in question, and it's making a beeline towards you. Or casting, or whatever. Depending on your level and specc, the best opener is usually either Holy Fire or Mind Blast. (Early shadow, Holy Fire. After 40, MB. Any other specc, Holy Fire opener). This allows you to get a 'free' cast on the beastie without it even knowing you're there. The very second the opener's done casting, you pop SW:P on it. Add other DoTs to taste/size of beastie. See the difference? Opening with a DoT, and you've already started the fight and any spell with a cast time is used while the beastie is whaling on your shield. Open with a powerful spell (Holy Fire, MB, whatever...) then DoT instantly...

Well, the beastie's already taken a severe health hit and you got the exact same result as with the DoT opener. Except he's already hurting bad.

Other things to consider would be whether to use PW:S at all, and if you use it, when should it be cast? There's differences in opinion here. I almost always use PW:S. The mana cost is one thing, but uninterrupted casts throughout my questing/grinding is invaluable to my killspeed and I don't drink all that much anyway. Some (when leveling Shadow mostly) swear by not using the Shield as talents and so on will allow them to reduce the effects damage done to you has on casting speed. The only thing that's important to consider, is the weakened soul debuff. I always cast the shield early. Before anything else. That means that if I completely ***** up and get a ton of mobs on my ***, I can quickly reapply PW:S. Same applies to fighting elites and such.

There's a reason firemages open with their giant *** meteor fireball whatsit. It takes forever to cast, but you want to cast it while the mob doesn't even know you're there. If they'd used an instant (or our DoTs), casting something with a giant cast-time is inefficient.
#14 Oct 03 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
Yes, you are right. It certainly makes sense to get your long cast time out of the way before agroing the mob. I didn't give it enough thought.

I'm a healer, not a dps'er. My mage is my banker, and I do remember using an opener as you stated, but that was a very long time ago.... Thank you for the good advice.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 9:12pm by dadanox
#15 Oct 04 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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NorthAI the Hand wrote:
I know I came late to this party, but... 'pull with a DoT'? No. Just... no. Never do that.


You're completely right, of course.

I played on a crowded server for so long I just got in the habit of tagging mobs with an instant, especially when doing the Wintergrasp daily. :D I need to get into better habits. Soon.
#16 Oct 04 2010 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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A few things:

I've leveled a Mage, Paladin, Druid, and DK (In that order) and each of them was their own experience. Coming from the mage world, I was very surprised to see the durability of the cloth wearing priest. At lower levels - prior to getting some of the self healing stuff - this isn't purely true, but generally speaking, priests don't play like other cloth wearing classes. Also as a mage/paly guy, I'm very used to the "AOE Grinding" and as a priest - you have essentially zero AOE abilities, but when you get into about your 60s, you can actually Dot-Up multiple mobs, shielding youself and allowing them to hit you (in cloth!) while they slowly die. It's not like my Paly pulling 10+ level 80 (Reg) mobs and grinding them down... But at 3-4 mobs - taken at the right time/place.... You can do it...

Here's what you want to do:

Stack the hell out of spirit and INT. The first tier of the Shadow spec has an ability that increases your spirit upon killing a mob. So - your goal is to DoT, Smite, Mind Blast, or Mind Flay things to hurt them, but then, stop casting and wand them to death. You'll basically do this until you hit outlands. In your 40s (I think) you'll get Shadow Form - which will help, but that's really the leveling experience of a priest. "DoT, DoT, CAST, wand........." *I am actually surprised that Blizzard has made it this way/allows it to continue.... It's really the most boring leveling I have experienced. Mage sucked too - so perhaps it's just the life of a caster to be mana whores.... Paly was incredibly fun and Cat-form druid was cool. But priest is just "DoT DoT Cast (Conserve mana) Wand to death.

Even now - at 71, my rotation is pretty simply - Vamperic Touch, SW:P, Mind Blast, Dev. Plague - Then want till dead - Or, if I want to restart my mana regen I recast Mind Blast (You'll learn all this in time - At higher levels you get a spell called Vamperic Touch which will give you a 15 second buff to regan mana upon casting Mind Blast) I can go about 10 fights without having a drink.

Also - remember - as much a people want to tell you what they did and how great their classes are - Most people only spent a few hours of Real Life time at those levels. They quickly forget about the lack of spells/skills at that point. (For example - you don't get SW:Death until something in the 60s I think - and the spell is generally not that helpful - Even then) So - having said that - Leveling sucks. No one likes it. You're best Time per level experience will be by grinding out quests you have already done and which you quasi remember. The only thing you need to do - is do it.
#17 Oct 06 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Good
Actually, they didn't completely get rid of Spirit Tap. It's going to be a major glyph instead of a talent. It's just not as awesome.
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