Elitism and Mages.Follow

I haven't really noticed it, unless you are saying that I am an elitist...

The kingslayer title really doesn't mean anything now, especially with the 30% buff, it is quite puggable on many servers at least in 10man.

This late into an expansion pretty much all of the information is there and finalized, there isn't too much wiggle-room or other thought-provoking topics and the answers are cut-and-dry as to what is best at pretty much all content levels. So if someone comes here and says 'What about this build? 30/21/10?!!' then it is easy to say 'read the sticky, your build is bad.'



As for the game squeezing out casuals, that is so far from the truth it isn't funny, but almost is. There are more ways now to get into end-game anything than ever before. In a week you can be geared up enough to enter ICC. In TBC it would take you months as the gear progression pretty much required you to go from T4->T6, causing many more guilds to become stepping stone guilds as people would leave them while they are floundering for guilds that are doing better.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 2:16pm by Anobix

I've never noticed any kind of elitist attitude on the Mage forums, so I frankly have no clue what you are talking about.

I also want to note that there is potentially a correlation between what you consider to be elitist responses and questions that are frankly ridiculous.

I mean, if someone comes in and posts about their uber cool Frost spec where they spam Fireball and are complaining that others aren't letting them "play their way." Then yes, you are going to get flamed, and flamed hard.

But I can't think of a time when any of us have ever responded with an elitist attitude to any legitimate question.

Look at the post valleyum made on this page, DPS Issues. Actually read the responses. The only thing that comes off elitist in that thread is jay's first post. And that's because he's the first poster--someone had to say it. We spend a lot of time reading posts here, you have to format them to be taken seriously. And speaking from experience, being blunt about it is the surest way to make sure they actually change (and hopefully become better, regular posters).

And the rest of jay's post is informative, and the things he says are fair.

NOTHING in that thread is actually elitist. I'm not sure if you the word you want is actually "elitist." Can you explain more about what you mean? Or like others have suggested, point us towards posts that particularly show it?

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 6:15pm by idiggory

Thanks for replying.

Of course this thread is "dumb@ stupid" Catpredator because it doesn't fit into the catergories you 'regulars' specify, and insist upon. Which was kinda my point! My post was marked decent, before the powers to be defaulted it.

As I understand it is an open Forum for Mage related questions/queries.

Im not griping at all, my opinion is that there is now an inherent 'elitism' creeping into this mage Forum that prevents newbies like me posting questions. I have not noticed a similar attitude on other Forums. I have raised this issue because I am entitled to.

As an example you quite often give advice on gemming, for head slots and as I understand it, the consensus is that for a head item the general rule is to use a Chaotic Skyflare in the Meta slot. Yet when I have checked out your Mage characters following your advice, you quite often do not get the 3% crit bonus because you have slotted purely Red +23 sp. Skyflare requires 2 blue gems to activate bonus.

On frost spec in 5 mans/Icc 10/Voa 10 I crit on average every 2 frostbolts for an average 11k, 12k, that is an extra 330 damage, or 150 damage each spell, (it could be higher or lower depending on crit rate)I have not included Deep freeze crits etc which improves my crit rate. My point being you do not follow your own advice. 2 red gems +23 sp = 46+ damage per spell, you are losing 100 + damage per spell because you have not activated the + crit bonus, by using two blue gems. Excuse the simple format but I am not a number cruncher.

The main consensus on here is that mages have a 'divine' right to top or be near the top of Dps charts in raids. Over the course of a Voa/Icc raid 100+ per spell lost is a considerable ammount.

I dont want to be told my gemming is "crap" If I ask for advice, I want to know what are the best gems and why. I also expect 'consistancy' in any replies, as I am sure other 'newbies' do too.

The regulars have kinda killed my point, however my point is still valid.







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My guess is you were rated down for making a stupid post. My judgment has nothing to do with elitism. I just know a truly stupid post when I see one.

This mage forum is not elitist by any reasonable standard. The regular posters continue to be friendly and welcoming to new posters, and I've seldom seen any real flame wars here.

In other news, WoW continues to be the most casual-friendly MMO that I've ever seen or heard of.

That being said, if you go on a hunt for evidence of elitism in any active game forum or any MMO, I'm sure you can find it. Why exactly are you looking so hard?

A: If you're a sock, just admit it dude.

B: Who doesn't follow their own advice? You realise that 2 Spirit + Spell Power gems will give you the meta bonus, right?

Most of the posts here were very diplomatic actually, and for anyone to say that Anobix is patronizing is just ludicrous. As Jay admitted, he's pretty much the only person here who sometimes comes off as elitist or rude. It looks like the OP is just hyper sensitive to me.

I'm really not a rude person, it's just the arthritis makes me cranky when I type. Or something.

I lol'd! :)

Are you kidding? If I didn't have hairy moobs to play with, I'd be Old Man with Kid on Lawn cranky.

I must say I am a bit shocked at this thread. I went from noob mage to being very helpful in my guilds progression raids because I frequented this particular forum. I didn't post much but when I did Anobix and the other "Elitist Mages" were nothing but cordial and informative. I always felt this was a more non demeaning, informative, friendly, and entertaining wow forum then most others that are out there. But you will always have a minority out there that try to get a rise out of people (heals dont crit) for some demented reason.

Thanks again to everyone who contributes here, it's invaluable to a lot of us.


Schnitz

The truth is that this board really is filled with some of the most laid back folks around, but they're also quite playful and even silly and that sometimes leaves room for misinterpretation. It seems that about once a year someone pops in and completely misinterprets what one of the regulars means and posts one of these tangent threads about how awful and nasty we are. Every time it happens, one of us asks them to cite a few specific examples so we can either see something we've missed or show them how they've simply misunderstood the intentions of the post they're citing.

I cannot recall anyone ever actually rising to that request, they always tend to break down like gibbering idiots. It seems that this cycle repeats itself today, so without further ado, this thread is now about moobs. I'm calling it officially. Anyone who is opposed can write a 1000 word paper on why Patch 1.5 changed things for the better for mages in astounding ways*.

Or, you know, add to the discussion actually brought up in the thread's OP. Or give us another great derail topic. Or lock the thread if you happen to be an admin who drops by. You know, anything but whine like a child who didn't get their way, like the OP has decided he's going to do.

*No, I will never let patch 1.5 go.