How are you (dual)speccing in Cata?Follow

So like how BGs currently are on live? A random collection of mouth breathers face rolling for free honor gear.

I finished my SC2 map for the contest, so I've got more spare time in the Cata beta as well. Trying to level my rogue as we speak, server's going on and off every X minutes.

I'm still sticking with Subt PvE and Assassination PvE to level - with addons now allowed, I hope to get recount working in the days to come and post up some numbers. This is my current Subt spec (should be cookie cutter PvE, except for that at 85 you grab Coup de Grace instead of Deadly Momentum and throw an additional point into Enveloping Shadows), this is my current Assassination PvE spec. I really like Assassination as it is now - you can literally pick up everything you want and end up with 2 points you can throw pretty much anywhere to boot. You can drop them in Elusiveness, Imp Recuperate, Precision if you need the hit or Deadened Nerves if you're really hardcore - all those choice seem equally good to me at the moment. That is assuming we're going to need to use Recuperate in raids.

I'm at 83. The 'problem' really is that 80-82 takes about as long as 70-72, while 82-83 takes... days. It's a really slow grind, and 83-84 will be even worse. I'm trying to level both my priest and my rogue as well, though it looks like my rogue will be my first (and maybe only) character to hit 85.

Get to 85 and hit the duels...I'd say but you would have pretty bad gear.

Still, being able to listen to first hand experince of things is a nice touch.

What will you be focusing on at 85?

So I got on the PTR today on my 80 (geared) rogue.

Recuperate with no talents other than Quickening was ticking for ~1020.

Mutilate is pretty weird with some of the talents in the tree (still undecided about Venomous Wounds, keeping a Rupture up isn't THAT hard, but it's weird), but overall it's pretty ridiculous.

Oh, and even though all your gems/enchants etc are switched to Agi, expect to lose like 2% crit.

Vendetta is fricking amazing. It can't be dispelled, it's glyph (which no one has) increases the duration by 20% (:30 duration becomes :36), and you hit like a goddamn truck with it up. I was spamming 14k Envenoms with 4400 AP.

Also, I have glyph info:

You get 3 glyphs of 3 types, for those not paying attention. Prime, Major, and Minor.

Prime are for class-defining abilities like Vendetta, Shadowdance, etc.

The Primes are: Evis (+10% crit), Mutilate (-5e), AR (+:05 duration), BS (crits return 5e), Hemo (40% of damage is done as additional bleed), Killing Spree (+10% bonus damage), Revealing Strike (bonus to finishers increased by 10%), Rupture (+:04 duration), ShD (+:02 duration), SS (20% chance to add a second CP on use), SnD (+:03 duration), Vendetta (20% increased duration).

Majors are modifications to our major abilities like Sprint, CloS, etc.

Majors are: Sprint (extra 30% movement speed in Sprint), Ambush (+5 yard range), Blade Flurry (reduces penalty to energy generation while active by 50%), Blind (removes ALL damage over time effects from the target), CloS (take 40% less physical damage while active), Crippling Poison (+20% application chance), Deadly Throw (+20% to snare), Evasion (+:05 duration), Expose Armor (+:12 duration), FoK (+50% radius), Feint (-20e), Garrote (+:02 duration on the silence), Gouge (don't need to be in front), Kick (increases cooldown by :04, but if you interrupt something, reduces the cooldown by :06), Prep (renews Kick, Dismantle, Smoke Bomb), Sap (+:80 duration on non-players), TotT (removes energy cost, but reduces damage bonus by 5%), Vanish (increases duration of effect by :02).

Minors are cosmetic changes and very minor bonuses.

Minors include: Blurred Speed (Sprint lets you run on water), Poisons (apply poisons to your weapons 50% faster), Safe Fall (increases the distance Safe Fall allows you to fall without taking damage), Distract (+5 yard range), Pick Lock (+5 yard range), Pick Pocket (+5 yard range).

Basically, glyphs for PvP look sick.

Obviously for a Mutilate build you're going to take Mutilate, Vendetta, and Rupture/Evis (depends on if Evis glyph works for Envenom) for Primes, Sprint, Blind, and Evasion for Majors, and Blurred Speed and whatever the hell else you want for Minors.

That was a lot to type out, but I wanted them all in one place so that they're easy to read.

Oh, and also, you learn a glyph once and then you can always use it, but to overwrite a glyph, you need Vanishing Powder. No idea on where you get it, but I'm assuming it'll be common and cheap.

Probably. I don't mind though, as it means that I don't have to hunt for a ridiculously overpriced glyph, I just need a reagent.

Also, there are so many scribes on my server that the undercutting will make me lol.

On the PTR you can also buy the powder from vendors, but I don't know if that'll make it to live.

It's been 1300 for me on the PTR. I'm assuming it's calculated by level and is a set damage amount.

It could also scale via AP, but we don't really know yet, as no one has really done any testing.

From what I've learned, Combat is in need of a significant buff to bring it up to par with mutilate on the current PTR.

Go to the dark side and be Sub. Its fun and if I recall will be competitive damage in 4.0.1.

Using Hemo more often than every 24 seconds is bad as we glyph it for an extra bleed. You use BS and HAT as your main CP builders. Looks like this with some play points in the non-DPS stuff for flava.

BS scales better than Hemo so we will use it when CP intake from Rupt and HAT is slow. Hemo is for the debuff and the extra bleed. So daggers will be the weapons of choice. I got a Heartpierce. :P

Open from stealth with ShS->Ambush to get SnD up, then Hemo and get Recup running (can get it up with low CPs at first to get the system running sooner), then get a 5 CP Rupture up. Evis will want to always be at 5 CPs to prevent having to use CPs on Rupt. Then its just maintenance and watching timers. Making sure to keep them all de-synchronized or the whole thing could collapse and you'd have to start over, which is a *****.

SD on CD, well close to on CD as you want to have time on your self buffs and be close to energy capped, with Premed of course macro'd to Ambush. Timing SD will take practice as you don't want to have SnD/Recup drop off during SD.

Its like feral DPS but with daggers and no cat form.

Muti does look fun as well, HFB was a kill joy and made me go Combat honestly.

Cata is not balanced for level 80 with ICC gear.

You have more haste and crit now than you will at level 85. Plus any ArP you happened to have is now haste or crit. Haste boosts raw energy regen and crit boost Rupture based regen. Drop Rupture and Envenom more. You likely wont need the energy gained from using Rupture and Envenom does more damage. If Rupture-less is energy starved then work it back in to find a happy place.

Try that and report back. We curious.