First of all, hi :)
I got to 80 more than a week ago with my dk, and im having some problems for some unknown reasons.
First, my tanking. My frost tanking is crap. I tank with a 2h weapon. Although im in frost presence, (okay, i only have 3k gs, but still! ), i cant keep aggro in any heroic.
I do everything : DnD, howling blast, pestilence, etc... But nothing does the trick. That really sucks. I often get kicked out or everybody leaves because dps die.
Ive done a few heroics, and i sometime managed to keep aggro, but i found it so much more difficult than with my paladin. Is that normal ?
Secondly, my dps in unholy spec. It's really scary. I got 4200 gs, which is not that bad for heroics. I got from 1500 dps ( before ) to 2500 ( now ). But lets admit it, 2500 is still very bad. And i cant do more, it's impossible. I do everything the best i can : IT before i arrive, then PS, then automatically pestilence. 1 blood strike then 1 SS then death coil. My death coils crit at 5k, my SS at 4k.
I got around 4k attack power which often raises to 5k (sigil + trinket). My crit chances are 30%, which helps wandering plague alot.
My gargoyle hits 2k. Ive respecced so many times to get the best dps unholy spec i could get (deleted crappy necrosis, which is a really bad talent i must say, dealt 2% of my damage).
My weapon only has 180 dps, is that the only reason why i do so few damages ? Should i go unholy presence instead of blood presence ?
It's weird, 4200 gs, nearly full purples, and only 2500 dps. There was this 3k gs retadin that dealt 4k yesterday. Scary. And arcane mage with 4k that dealt 4.5k.
What am i doing wrong ? How is it possible that i cant even manage to do more damages, even when using all my CDs ?
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I recommend grabbing the HB glyph. With it, you'll apply FF with your first HB, giving you instant aggro and putting it on CD. Personally, I place BP as an afterthought when tanking as Frost. You get more up-front aggro by ignoring it. However, if you didn't improve DnD, you should probably place and spread it, since DnD won't be available every pull.
SO, HB>DnD gives you a solid base of threat with a high threat DoT. After that you can either PS and Pest or BB (and then PS, since you shouldn't just sit on runes).
Use HB when it is back up, and Oblit when you can't use DnD or HB.
That should be good enough.
You can also try Unholy tanking, which is my preferred spec.
Rotation is DnD>IT>PS>Pest>DC>BB>SS>BB>SS.
Mobs are just GLUED to you.
As for Unholy DpS:
Boss:
PS>IT>BS>SS>BS>Trinket+Ghoul>DC
SS>BS>SS>BS>DC>DC>HoW (as your RP allows, and HoW only if you won't clip your next PS)
Should give you at least 3K DpS. Linking your armory would help.
AoE:
PS>IT>Pest>DnD>DC>SS>BB>SS>BB>DC, repeat.
Also, when tanking, be frank and tell your DpS they need to give you a second since you are newly geared. Tank threat increases, per upgrade, at a much lower rate than DpS threat in heroics. So don't feel embarassed. If they give you a hard time, they have never tanked with geared toons in the party.
But linking your armory would be really helpful. There might be spec/gear/glyph changes that could really help you.
Oh, and 2h Frost tanking is fine (and, imo, better since you can't use tanking weapons anyway and you won't be using Razorice).
SO, HB>DnD gives you a solid base of threat with a high threat DoT. After that you can either PS and Pest or BB (and then PS, since you shouldn't just sit on runes).
Use HB when it is back up, and Oblit when you can't use DnD or HB.
That should be good enough.
You can also try Unholy tanking, which is my preferred spec.
Rotation is DnD>IT>PS>Pest>DC>BB>SS>BB>SS.
Mobs are just GLUED to you.
As for Unholy DpS:
Boss:
PS>IT>BS>SS>BS>Trinket+Ghoul>DC
SS>BS>SS>BS>DC>DC>HoW (as your RP allows, and HoW only if you won't clip your next PS)
Should give you at least 3K DpS. Linking your armory would help.
AoE:
PS>IT>Pest>DnD>DC>SS>BB>SS>BB>DC, repeat.
Also, when tanking, be frank and tell your DpS they need to give you a second since you are newly geared. Tank threat increases, per upgrade, at a much lower rate than DpS threat in heroics. So don't feel embarassed. If they give you a hard time, they have never tanked with geared toons in the party.
But linking your armory would be really helpful. There might be spec/gear/glyph changes that could really help you.
Oh, and 2h Frost tanking is fine (and, imo, better since you can't use tanking weapons anyway and you won't be using Razorice).
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Unfortunately the servers are down and the armory dsnt work
My guy is Frosthate, Spinebreaker server, Europe servers.
Thanks for the tanking thing, it really helped me. Unfortunately i dropped tanking for the moment and went for a nice Blood pvp spec (self healing, glyph of HS, nice spec).
Should i go for glyph of command ? I had glyph of icebound fortitude also before, but it's not that important :/
Would glyphs of IT, HB and DnD do the trick for a good tanking ?
Are you sure DnD is worth it for dps ?
I have Desolation, should i use BS instead of BB, so i keep up my 5% more dmg ? Or at least use it once then use BB ?
My diseases hit around 600 per tick, sometimes 700.
My glyphs in unholy spec are glyph of dark death (+15% dmg thingy ), glyph of SS for a single target dpsing, and glyph of PS. Should i change glyph of PS for glyph of IT for a better frost fever dmg ?
Thing is i dont think i can really higher my dmg that much. I do all the things you talk about : HoW, BB, etc...
when should i expect a 4k dps ?
My guy is Frosthate, Spinebreaker server, Europe servers.
Thanks for the tanking thing, it really helped me. Unfortunately i dropped tanking for the moment and went for a nice Blood pvp spec (self healing, glyph of HS, nice spec).
Should i go for glyph of command ? I had glyph of icebound fortitude also before, but it's not that important :/
Would glyphs of IT, HB and DnD do the trick for a good tanking ?
Are you sure DnD is worth it for dps ?
I have Desolation, should i use BS instead of BB, so i keep up my 5% more dmg ? Or at least use it once then use BB ?
My diseases hit around 600 per tick, sometimes 700.
My glyphs in unholy spec are glyph of dark death (+15% dmg thingy ), glyph of SS for a single target dpsing, and glyph of PS. Should i change glyph of PS for glyph of IT for a better frost fever dmg ?
Thing is i dont think i can really higher my dmg that much. I do all the things you talk about : HoW, BB, etc...
when should i expect a 4k dps ?
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Should i go for glyph of command ? I had glyph of icebound fortitude also before, but it's not that important :/
Would glyphs of IT, HB and DnD do the trick for a good tanking ?
Would glyphs of IT, HB and DnD do the trick for a good tanking ?
Don't bother with command or Fort. Either go with those three or replace IT with Oblit (I'd stay with IT until you have gear enough to hold solid AoE hate).
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Are you sure DnD is worth it for dps ?
I have Desolation, should i use BS instead of BB, so i keep up my 5% more dmg ? Or at least use it once then use BB ?
My diseases hit around 600 per tick, sometimes 700.
My glyphs in unholy spec are glyph of dark death (+15% dmg thingy ), glyph of SS for a single target dpsing, and glyph of PS. Should i change glyph of PS for glyph of IT for a better frost fever dmg ?
Thing is i dont think i can really higher my dmg that much. I do all the things you talk about : HoW, BB, etc...
when should i expect a 4k dps ?
I have Desolation, should i use BS instead of BB, so i keep up my 5% more dmg ? Or at least use it once then use BB ?
My diseases hit around 600 per tick, sometimes 700.
My glyphs in unholy spec are glyph of dark death (+15% dmg thingy ), glyph of SS for a single target dpsing, and glyph of PS. Should i change glyph of PS for glyph of IT for a better frost fever dmg ?
Thing is i dont think i can really higher my dmg that much. I do all the things you talk about : HoW, BB, etc...
when should i expect a 4k dps ?
If there are 3 or more mobs, DnD is worth it.
If you have Desolation, and think the mobs will last a while, use BS. But if they are going to die fast, use BB. Desolation is good because it increases all damage by 5%. But if you are only getting 5 seconds of bonus damage, it is hardly worth it. I generally just use BB in heroics because of this, even though that's occasionally a DpS loss. I think it's probably a gain enough of the time that it's fine, though.
Glyphs are all wrong for Unholy. For Heroics, I use Death and Decay, Icy Touch and Ghoul.
Optimal ST glyphs are: Ghoul, Icy Touch and Dark Death.
Optimal AoE glyphs are: DnD, IT and Disease.
I chose IT because it is great for both ST and AoE. DnD is awesome for AoE DpS. I'm pretty sure Dark Death is actually the higher DpS glyph, but I find having a stronger pet is more useful when soloing (as things die before I can use a DC anyway).
Your talent spec for Unholy should be something like this. If you have 4pc T9, keep 5 points in DC and drop Necrosis to 2 points.
You DEFINITELY want the Pestilence minor glyph. It's actually our single best glyph, imo. The other two are completely optional and will have no real influence on your DpS. I roll with HoW and Raise Dead. I should really change HoW to BT though, since I refresh it every 20 seconds or so anyway, lol.
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Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
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