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New Talent Calc, this looks soo much better than it previously did, restores my faith in hunters and now I'm definitely looking forward to playing with mine in cata.
According to the talent calculator, Chimera has a 6 second cooldown and up till recently the focus regen rate was 3 per second and Chimera shot's focus cost was 60 focus so it's gone down 10 as well.
I'm glad to hear that they upped it to 5 though.
Also, MM still feels empty in the latest build and very far from finished, BM however is taking real shape and I like it. SV is still mostly meh.
I'm glad to hear that they upped it to 5 though.
Also, MM still feels empty in the latest build and very far from finished, BM however is taking real shape and I like it. SV is still mostly meh.
Beast Mastery
Cobra Shot now generates 9 focus. Up from 1 focus.
Mend Pet no longer costs Focus.
The Beast Within is now a Tier 6 talent. up from Tier 5.
Animal Handler is gone.
Improved Mend Pet is now a Tier 2 talent. Down from Tier 4.
Envenomation is now a Tier 4 talent. Down from Tier 3.
Improved Kill Command is now a Tier 1 talent. Down from Tier 2.
One with Nature now increases the AP bonus of Aspect of the Hawk by 10/20/30% (Up from 5/10/15%) and increases the amount of focus restored by Aspect of the Fox by 5/10/15%. (Up from 2/4/6%)
Bestial Discipline is now a 3 ranks talent (Down from 4 Ranks). Increases the Focus regeneration of your pets by 10/20/30%. (Up from 6/12/18/24%)
Marksmanship
Concussive Shot no longer costs Focus. Now has a 5 sec cooldown.
Steady Shot now generates 9 Focus. (Tooltip fix)
Arcane Shot now costs 25 focus, down from 50 focus. Additional damage halved, AP scaling remains the same.
Resistance is Futile now gives you a chance that your next Kill Command will refund its focus cost. (Old - Gives a chance to critically hit)
Careful Aim - Increases the critical strike chance of your Steady Shot, Cobra Shot and Aimed Shot by 20/60% on targets at or above 60% health.
Efficiency now only reduces the cost of your Arcane Shot by 1/2/3 (Down from 2/4/6). Reduction on Explosive Shot and Chimera Shot remains unchanged.
Survival
Serpent Sting now costs 25 Focus. Down from 45.
Aspect of the Monkey (Talent) is gone.
Expose Weakness is gone.
Hunting Party is now a Tier 5 1-Rank talent. Down from Tier 6 2-Ranks.
Sniper Training is now a Tier 6 talent. Up from Tier 5.
Changes from the last build, all underlined are reductions in focus costs/upping of focus regen.
But "Expose Weakness is gone" makes me really really sad.
Cobra Shot now generates 9 focus. Up from 1 focus.
Mend Pet no longer costs Focus.
The Beast Within is now a Tier 6 talent. up from Tier 5.
Animal Handler is gone.
Improved Mend Pet is now a Tier 2 talent. Down from Tier 4.
Envenomation is now a Tier 4 talent. Down from Tier 3.
Improved Kill Command is now a Tier 1 talent. Down from Tier 2.
One with Nature now increases the AP bonus of Aspect of the Hawk by 10/20/30% (Up from 5/10/15%) and increases the amount of focus restored by Aspect of the Fox by 5/10/15%. (Up from 2/4/6%)
Bestial Discipline is now a 3 ranks talent (Down from 4 Ranks). Increases the Focus regeneration of your pets by 10/20/30%. (Up from 6/12/18/24%)
Marksmanship
Concussive Shot no longer costs Focus. Now has a 5 sec cooldown.
Steady Shot now generates 9 Focus. (Tooltip fix)
Arcane Shot now costs 25 focus, down from 50 focus. Additional damage halved, AP scaling remains the same.
Resistance is Futile now gives you a chance that your next Kill Command will refund its focus cost. (Old - Gives a chance to critically hit)
Careful Aim - Increases the critical strike chance of your Steady Shot, Cobra Shot and Aimed Shot by 20/60% on targets at or above 60% health.
Efficiency now only reduces the cost of your Arcane Shot by 1/2/3 (Down from 2/4/6). Reduction on Explosive Shot and Chimera Shot remains unchanged.
Survival
Serpent Sting now costs 25 Focus. Down from 45.
Aspect of the Monkey (Talent) is gone.
Expose Weakness is gone.
Hunting Party is now a Tier 5 1-Rank talent. Down from Tier 6 2-Ranks.
Sniper Training is now a Tier 6 talent. Up from Tier 5.
Changes from the last build, all underlined are reductions in focus costs/upping of focus regen.
But "Expose Weakness is gone" makes me really really sad.
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Careful Aim - Increases the critical strike chance of your Steady Shot, Cobra Shot and Aimed Shot by 20/60% on targets at or above 60% health.
Hmm, looking at it a bit more, I think I'm going to be taking this back. We'll see what shots do which percentage of damage, but I imaging it'll be a small enough part that it won't be as good as the straight 3% you can get in SV.
Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 10:20am by Xsarus
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Xsarus, how are you doing aspects? Same as Hawk->Viper and then back to Hawk except with Fox instead of Viper?
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IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
With IKC giving instant Kill Commands, this makes it do exactly what arcane shot does, except with more damage. So in PvE use, aside from when your pet is switching targets, or dead, or things like that, it seems that, for BM hunters are least, arcane shot is going to be completely unused in a priority. Correct?
Edit: Whenever pet abilities trigger the pet's GCD, Kill Command doesn't deal damage, but still uses focus. Hopefully it's just a bug, because it's troublesome right now.
Edited, Aug 10th 2010 11:07am by Yuppley
Edit: Whenever pet abilities trigger the pet's GCD, Kill Command doesn't deal damage, but still uses focus. Hopefully it's just a bug, because it's troublesome right now.
Edited, Aug 10th 2010 11:07am by Yuppley
The fact that AS is nearly half the cost of KC is important, though. BM is basically just spamming CS and tapping KC nonstop. Using Arcane Shot would require them to stop using CS. And KC does much more damage, so they are obviously not bothered by the fact that it is more focus--you'd need to factor the lost CS damage/focus into AS anyway.
MM spec is somewhat similar. You could Arcane Shot, but you really want to be using Steady Shot to get your Aimed Shot procs. So, even if AS is better damage than Kill Command (which I don't remember if it is or not in MM), you are better off using it than stopping to use AS. You just can't spam it, or you won't be able to use your Aimed Shot, Chimera Shot or Scorpid Sting when they come up.
Survival, like I said above, is much more confusing. AS is certianly very efficient damage--22 focus (15 for crits).
The real question is which will do better DpS at cap--AS or SS/CS? If the former, than you won't be using Kill Command. If SS/CS is better, then you'll only be firing *** when you have a Lock and Load proc, and might actually end up hitting KC to burn excess focus.
Without knowing how these abilities will scale (or how gear will scale), it is really hard to evaluate.
I'm really hoping they add something else to BM, though. I like its synergy with the pet, but the rotation is just way too boring (literally spam one thing and hit the other, that's off the GCD, whenever it comes up).
MM spec is somewhat similar. You could Arcane Shot, but you really want to be using Steady Shot to get your Aimed Shot procs. So, even if AS is better damage than Kill Command (which I don't remember if it is or not in MM), you are better off using it than stopping to use AS. You just can't spam it, or you won't be able to use your Aimed Shot, Chimera Shot or Scorpid Sting when they come up.
Survival, like I said above, is much more confusing. AS is certianly very efficient damage--22 focus (15 for crits).
The real question is which will do better DpS at cap--AS or SS/CS? If the former, than you won't be using Kill Command. If SS/CS is better, then you'll only be firing *** when you have a Lock and Load proc, and might actually end up hitting KC to burn excess focus.
Without knowing how these abilities will scale (or how gear will scale), it is really hard to evaluate.
I'm really hoping they add something else to BM, though. I like its synergy with the pet, but the rotation is just way too boring (literally spam one thing and hit the other, that's off the GCD, whenever it comes up).
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
My wow client crashes 5 minutes into the game and kills my network, so I haven't been able to get my hunter leveled at all.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Camouflage
85 - You camouflage, causing you and your Pet to blend into your surroundings. After 3 sec., you will enter a camouflaged state for 1 min, making you untargetable and providing stealth while stationary. While camouflaged, you and your pet's movement speed is reduced by 30%, but the damage done by your next attack is increased by 15%.
You can lay traps while under the effect, but any damage done by you or your pet will cancel the effect. Cannot be cast while in combat.
45 Focus, Instant, 1 min cooldown
WTF tooltip... does it break upon moving or does that keep me untargetable but visible?
And can't be cast in combat... Oh yeah @#%^ing awesome... or not so much.
85 - You camouflage, causing you and your Pet to blend into your surroundings. After 3 sec., you will enter a camouflaged state for 1 min, making you untargetable and providing stealth while stationary. While camouflaged, you and your pet's movement speed is reduced by 30%, but the damage done by your next attack is increased by 15%.
You can lay traps while under the effect, but any damage done by you or your pet will cancel the effect. Cannot be cast while in combat.
45 Focus, Instant, 1 min cooldown
WTF tooltip... does it break upon moving or does that keep me untargetable but visible?
And can't be cast in combat... Oh yeah @#%^ing awesome... or not so much.
Don't underestimate a stealth that you can only activate out of combat. Kinda like, oh wait, stealth.
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these skills would be awesome to have.
i'd definitely rock aspect of the fox around, bust out a lil pvp action then BOOM
i'd definitely rock aspect of the fox around, bust out a lil pvp action then BOOM
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