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#27 Aug 04 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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So shs > rupture and spam evis to keep refreshing it via new Serrated Blades.


ShS only affects Ambush and Garrote according to the spell description on wowhead.
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#28 Aug 04 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
What are your thoughts on Murderous Intent? Will this make Backstab more powerful or efficient past the 35% point? My thoughts are "it must do", because otherwise it would be a useless talent.
#29 Aug 04 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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What are your thoughts on Murderous Intent? Will this make Backstab more powerful or efficient past the 35% point? My thoughts are "it must do", because otherwise it would be a useless talent.

It's a garbage talent. If you've already got Mut, you're not gonna use BS.
#30 Aug 04 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
ShogunJosh wrote:
What are your thoughts on Murderous Intent? Will this make Backstab more powerful or efficient past the 35% point? My thoughts are "it must do", because otherwise it would be a useless talent.

It's a garbage talent. If you've already got Mut, you're not gonna use BS.


I could maybe see using Backstab when at 4 CPs and in the execute range but otherwise it is way to expensive.

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 12:48pm by Horsemouth
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#31 Aug 04 2010 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Horsemouth wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
ShogunJosh wrote:
What are your thoughts on Murderous Intent? Will this make Backstab more powerful or efficient past the 35% point? My thoughts are "it must do", because otherwise it would be a useless talent.

It's a garbage talent. If you've already got Mut, you're not gonna use BS.


I could maybe see using Backstab when at 4 CPs and in the execute range but otherwise it is way to expensive.

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 12:48pm by Horsemouth

That's kinda my point. It doesn't refund energy, it just reduces the cost of BS from 60 to 50 energy (since when you use it, it costs 60 but refunds 10 on use).

Mutilate is 55 energy, does a hell of a lot more damage, and gives 2-3 CPs. If you're at 4 CPs, you might as well Envenom.
#32 Aug 04 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
Horsemouth wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
ShogunJosh wrote:
What are your thoughts on Murderous Intent? Will this make Backstab more powerful or efficient past the 35% point? My thoughts are "it must do", because otherwise it would be a useless talent.

It's a garbage talent. If you've already got Mut, you're not gonna use BS.


I could maybe see using Backstab when at 4 CPs and in the execute range but otherwise it is way to expensive.

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 12:48pm by Horsemouth

That's kinda my point. It doesn't refund energy, it just reduces the cost of BS from 60 to 50 energy (since when you use it, it costs 60 but refunds 10 on use).

Mutilate is 55 energy, does a hell of a lot more damage, and gives 2-3 CPs. If you're at 4 CPs, you might as well Envenom.


Refunds 30 with 3/3 but still plunking 3 points for a situational ability is fairly retarded. As Muti is better damage and CP generation. Plus with Muti using Rupture that extra energy is likely needed for trying to juggle Rupture in and not totally kill Envenom uptime.
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#33 Aug 06 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Interesting. I started a Rogue on the Beta. Now, you don't get BS until levels 12-18 (forget what it is exactly). I don't know how this will work for endgame (especially PvP) but Ambush is now:

Ambush the target, causing 190% weapon damage plus 699.105 to the target (274.93% plus 1011.863 if a dagger is equipped). Must be stealthed and behind the target. Awards 2 combo points.
60 Energy, 5 yd range, Instant

Mutilate is:

Instantly attacks with both weapons for ( Opportunity : 100/110/120/130 )% weapon damage plus an additional 201.42 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 20% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points.
60 Energy, 5 yd range, Instant

Idk, maybe it'll be useful? Waylay and the damage it causes seems pretty decent to me. But I have minimal PvP experience.
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#34 Aug 06 2010 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait, wait, wait. Holy @#%^ing sh*t.

Ambush in that tooltip seems to imply that you can use it without a dagger.

Holy @#%^ing sh*t.

If that's true, I'm a very happy camper.

And I'll be playing Sub for the rest of my WoW career.

Edit: This is the build I'm looking at; non-dagger Sub. Opportunity is filler and adds to Ambush damage, since I plan to Ambush the crap out of people with axes, swords, and maces.

Edited, Aug 6th 2010 12:15pm by Theophany
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