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#1 Mar 27 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
I was looking at starting a new priest and i wish to try to heal as Disc. but my Primary tank will be my brother who is a warrior. But i have noticed that a lot of people frown when all I use is Shield and renew they believe tank is not getting rage. Is is possible to heal as a low level in Disc or should i go holy? and who is a disc healer good for if no race other then DK's can really be bubbled. I tank as a pally so when I get shielded it hurts me a lot no mana regain. Is a warrior like that? I really just want to know if Disc healing is even worth it Thanks in advance.
#2 Mar 27 2010 at 4:48 PM Rating: Default
When speced right, Disc healing can be killer single target healing. You are sort of doing things right. As a disc healer you put PW: Shield on the tank along with renew and then if the bubble pops before weakened soul is up or a dps is taken damage then you throw flash heals to them, atleast until you learn Pray of Mending then throw that in with your bubble and renew. There is no reason that your bubble should stop the warrior from getting rage, since they get it from just attacking. And I do not play a pally much but I am pretty sure there mana regen attack goes for when you cause damage not take damage.
#3 Mar 27 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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At one point shielding a rage tank was bad because preventing damage resulted in no rage gained from being hit. However, this changed quite a long time ago, and anyone who claims it still works this way just missed the memo. As for shielding paladins, they should get plenty of mana back from Divine Plea and Blessing of Sanctuary, without even needing the gains from Spiritual Attunement.
#4 Mar 27 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
I do thank both of you guys so very much it means I'm not worthless =D. But on the note of Pally with Blessing of Sanctuary it happens when he dodges,parrys or blocks attacks, when he absorbs he doesn't get the mana regan. But thnak you guys so much do you guys possible know a site were I can see a couple Disc builds?
#5 Mar 27 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, you get mana back from BoS from dodges, blocks and parries; but since having Power Word: Shield on doesn't impact any of those, it won't change his mana regen at all as far as BoS is concerned.
#6 Mar 27 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
Are you sure because if all he is doing is absorbing wont that effect his dodge rate?
#7 Mar 27 2010 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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It would, but that's not how it works. It works exactly the same as if he didn't have the shield, except that when he fails to dodge, block or parry, the damage is absorbed instead of being caused to him. His chances of dodging, blocking and parrying remain exactly the same, however.
#8 Mar 27 2010 at 7:52 PM Rating: Good
Disc healing is great. If you like the style, stay with it.

Paladin is the only class that gets any decrease in mana generation due to your shield. As already stated, many feel it is not an issue even for them. Personally, I simply make myself aware of when my tank is a Paladin, and I'll keep an eye on his mana. I may choose not to shield him if I feel he is running low.

I was holy from level 10-75, but switched to disc and really enjoy it.
Good luck.

#9 Mar 27 2010 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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Your shields have zero effect on rage generation.

The mana regen from BoS comes from blocks, dodges and parries. All of these are calculated before your shield, your shield only comes into play if the tank fails to mitigate the attack.

The only thing your shield effects is the mana regen from Spiritual Attunement, but by the time the Paladin has reached that talent you should have the talent that energises the tank with mana every time you shield him anyway, so it should all balance out.

There is no reason not to go Disc, and if anyone complains about it, tell them to L2P.
#10 Mar 28 2010 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Check out the quote in Dadanox's sig. Nothing more needs to be said about shield. As Disc, you will most likely start most fights with PoM, then once the PoM bounces, shield, then every once in a while, between pulling Oreos apart and eating the middle, glance at the tank's health, throw out a Penance, and then a new shield. Smiley: nod

Okay it's a little more complicated than that, but the main thing to remember about a Disc priest is that your whole spec is designed around mitigating damage. Shield is your star player. It should be in every single scene.

I leveled a Disc priest with my husband's warrior (100% duo, never played alone) and it was just awesome in every way. The classes complement each other extremely well. It's like old school D&D. Smiley: lol Have fun.

#11 Mar 28 2010 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks again guys its a big help. I love Disc healing so far only level 32 but its great. All i really have to do is Shield+renew tank, if all else fails i throw down PoM to heal group and re shield everyone. I find it great to shield the hunters pet just because i can. Normally my druid will just let them die the Laugh at them for not healing. But I do appreciate all the time and help you have given me. It makes me wanna keep my healer.
#12 Mar 29 2010 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
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I recently dusted off my lvl 70 priest. He was leveled to 70 as shadow, and has been dormant for ages now. I picked up dual spec and made him shadow/disc. I was going easy on the PW:S on warriors and druids, but can see now that I should've visited the priestforums sooner. This will make my disc-healing easier.

Seems like everyone but pallies have the "slap on an earth shield and go get some coffe" option. (Or maybe they do too?)
#13 Mar 29 2010 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Seems like everyone but pallies have the "slap on an earth shield and go get some coffe" option. (Or maybe they do too?)

They generally do. The only time you don't want to shield a paladin is when he's completely oom (<1%) and not on full health (<80%). The thing is that if this situation occurs, assuming your paladin isn't doing it wrong, he'll fill up his mana within the next ten seconds so you can shield him anyway. Besides, **** has already have to be hitting the fan for this to happen and it isn't a situation when you should be going "I'll just use this and go read allakhazam for a minute".
#14 Mar 29 2010 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Seems like everyone but pallies have the "slap on an earth shield and go get some coffe" option. (Or maybe they do too?)

They generally do. The only time you don't want to shield a paladin is when he's completely oom (<1%) and not on full health (<80%). The thing is that if this situation occurs, assuming your paladin isn't doing it wrong, he'll fill up his mana within the next ten seconds so you can shield him anyway. Besides, sh*t has already have to be hitting the fan for this to happen and it isn't a situation when you should be going "I'll just use this and go read allakhazam for a minute".


I don't think he was talking paladin tanks.

More like- Priests can Shield/Renew/ProM, Shamans can Earth Shield/Riptide, Druids have like 5 Renews to put on the tank (or something like that), what do Paladins have? Apart from stuff that has an insanely long cooldown, that is.
#15 Mar 29 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kalivha wrote:
Mozared wrote:
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Seems like everyone but pallies have the "slap on an earth shield and go get some coffe" option. (Or maybe they do too?)

They generally do. The only time you don't want to shield a paladin is when he's completely oom (<1%) and not on full health (<80%). The thing is that if this situation occurs, assuming your paladin isn't doing it wrong, he'll fill up his mana within the next ten seconds so you can shield him anyway. Besides, sh*t has already have to be hitting the fan for this to happen and it isn't a situation when you should be going "I'll just use this and go read allakhazam for a minute".


I don't think he was talking paladin tanks.

More like- Priests can Shield/Renew/ProM, Shamans can Earth Shield/Riptide, Druids have like 5 Renews to put on the tank (or something like that), what do Paladins have? Apart from stuff that has an insanely long cooldown, that is.


Sacred Shield is pretty unimpressive as shields go (at least if you're used to a Disc priest), but it's something. In general my experience is that while the pally lacks a "go get some coffee" button, they make up for this by almost always requiring only one hand, so you can totally eat just about anything while playing. It's just not as important to be able to get out of the fire and cast at the same time when you're immortal.
#16 Mar 29 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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That's pretty much what I was going to say before I decided I couldn't be ****** you just put it better =P

Let me add the fact that they can keep the entire party alive with beacon and holy light.
#17 Mar 29 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I definitely do find the pally style of healing way too reactive though. The healing power is great and the utility is tremendous, but you really have to be on top of things. Get behind and your target is dead. I prefer the Disc priest take-care-of-it-ahead-of-time-so-I-don't-have-to-stress-when-it-all-hits-the-fan approach.
#18 Mar 30 2010 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Then again, you'll find this gap is closed a lot once you enter raids. Unless you vastly outgear content (lolXT-002) its not like you can shield everybody and sit back for 30 seconds. The 'shielding everyone' is more of a thing you do when you don't have to cast party or flash heals. You do usually notice AOEs hitting for a bit less when shields are up, but its far from enough to 'relief all the stress' in most fights.

Aside from the Lich King, that is. There, we are blatantly overpowered. And I love it :D
#19 Mar 30 2010 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think he was talking paladin tanks.

More like- Priests can Shield/Renew/ProM, Shamans can Earth Shield/Riptide, Druids have like 5 Renews to put on the tank (or something like that), what do Paladins have?


That was my point. I have never healed on a pally bar a lone instance at lvl 20ish, where I kept going "oom" all the time. My pally is still in his twenties, so I have no experience with him.

Hopefully I can get my priest to 80 by doing a random dungeon a day before cataclysm hits. Most days I don't even have time to log on, so I'm not sure it'll work out. Once I started using more shields (from reading this thread) I seem to conserve more mana, and need to drink less often. Having a druid in my party also helps a lot, when they throw me innervates. I guess at lvl 80 with better itemized gear available mana will be less of an issue.

#20 Mar 30 2010 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
bkhovde wrote:
I guess at lvl 80 with better itemized gear available mana will be less of an issue.


At level 80 with decent gear, a disc priest should rarely have any mana issues. It's a very good spec for not going oom.
#21 Mar 30 2010 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
Get use to being frustrated by other players as disc


A large majority still don’t know what disc is about and always have something to say
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