Unholy is now FotMFollow

Horsemouth,

I'm in a similar situation. I am still trying to max my DPS as a mostly heroic and ocasional VoA/Weekly raider. I have been in an unholy spec without reaping for a while now and I feel like I should be doing more DPS. I normally average close to 4k in a heroic pug and on the VoA bosses.

I tried a frost DPS spec using 2h weapon and that didn't work out so great, as my DPS dropped down a bit to 2800 or so. Granted, I'm not extremely familiar with frost DPS and as you said, maybe I just needed some more practice with the dummy or give it some more time. As others stated, it has alot to do with monitoring your procs which I have a hard time doing. I just recently downloaded a few addons to try to help monitor disease timers and procs better, but I've had no luck configuring the proc monitoring addons. I did however, like the one called "ellipses" for showing our disease timers.

I haven't tried blood yet since I read that it is more gear dependent and you should have a pretty high ArP rating if you're doing Blood.

I also found it very odd without my trusty ghoul by my side :) <3 Eyeface

Unholy is the only spec whose buffs are not completely negated by an ehancement shaman. Even if you have 5 unholy DKs you will get no raid benefit from having another spec if you have an enh shaman. IMO it is more important to do better dps than raid buffs.

He says that having 5 Unholy DKs as long as you have an enhancement shaman is better, as the only Blood DK raid buff (+10% AP) is also supplied by an Enhance shaman or MM Hunter. As for hysteria, while it is amazing, if the Blood DK as dps does not use it on themself, their DPS goes down significantly, or that is how it has been in my experience as blood. However, if you're just doing a random heroic, Blood is far superior to Unholy IMO because Blood has better burst damage where as Unholy is pretty much purely sustained damage.

Dilbert is correct with regards to buffs and enhancement shammies.

But for 10 mans it is not always the case. As MM doesn't grab TSA all the time as for an optimal spec they expect Blood or Enhance to get it as they can with no DPS loss.

The haste thing is the same idea as frost brings it but so does enhance.

Unholy's buff is the best way to bring it as it comes at no DPS loss to the DK which is not the case for the other folks that can.

I forget where I was going with this.

Okay, so I was reading it wrong. Thanks for clearing that up. And I agree, Unholy is definitely the spec I'd choose to DpS.

Blood is blah to me. The most interesting part, imo, is the cleave on Heart Strike, which can make group combat interesting. But it's just too straight-forward on bosses.

Not that Unholy is MUCH better. Frost is the only one with real variability. But the rotation is at least more complex as Unholy (even if only slightly). And I only mean that in the sense that, if you could create bots to do your rotation, it would be easier to program Blood's single-target rotation than Unholy's.

Of course, I don't want to say Blood is simple. Please don't read that. It has its nuances just like every spec.

Or dual Black Icicles if you're into maces and +hit. Drop after the gauntlet in Heroic Halls of Reflection, which makes them a pain to farm for compared to Nighttimes, but each gives 20+ hit rating, so unless you're already over cap, it's very niiiice.

kisherprice, how come your Armory links are broken? Can't find anyone from Firetree named Desknight or Prothing.

Oh, sorry Maz xD I switched to Lothar awhile ago and completely forgot to change my armory link. I should probably swap those now lol

As for your situation Sand, just play whatever you have the most fun with :) Frost dps may not be quite as competitive as Unholy or Blood, but it is by no means bad!

Edited, Mar 21st 2010 2:13pm by kisherprice

You can use these 2 until you get one (or another of both) of the other. I dual wielded these 2 for awhile too.
If you want to try Frost DK as a Tank, I would use Lucky Old Sun or the Sword (Saurafang's (sp) Tooth?) that can drop off the last boss in H.PoS. The 2 themselves are too fast (as I'm told slower is better, but the stats on both w/ STR is nice) for DPS, but should be good for Tanking.

Depends on your gear level but I would guess 17/0/54 without Reaping.

I just got my 2T10 so have switched to the spec with Reaping.

If I get a fancy proc weapon I will go for a Frost sub spec.

I (depressingly) almost never see Unholy DKs. They are all Blood or Frost (favorite recently was the 71 pt Blood one...).

It's so sad because my Mage would ADORE if all the mobs in packs were getting the +SD debuff.

I'm confused. Is this about the class as a whole or Unholy specifically? Because you shouldn't be experiencing low DpS with the spec.

I actually like buffing the party, because it let's me feel like part of their DpS is mine. XD

But yeah, I'd be pissy if people were mocking my DpS. Luckily my only DpS toon is a Mage, so I am rarely out-DpSed and thus never get mocked. :P