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hey guys,
My guild says my dps is low and I am seeking help here to see is it me, or is it the class.

I know the rotation in and out, and I ride the rotation tight, but on like Professor25 I was 17th in damage done with 6000-6500dps.
My spec is standard arcane 57/3/11, standard Glyphs, Molten armor, Arcane Blast, Arcane Missles. My gear link is in my signature.

Do raid mages naturally have low damage done, and is 6k-6500dps respectable? Our rogues are throwing 10k+DPS, warriors 8kdps etc.
My guild is complaining saying they have played mage before and they were throwing more dps in 213's in naxx which I call ******** on.

So what do yall think?

Additional comment:

You have 15% hit naturally, and another 6% from talents. You only need 17%. If you have a Draenei around, you only need 16%. A S.Priest makes this 13%. [EDIT] S.Priest w/o a Draenei makes it 14% [/EDIT]

You can drop ALL your points from Arcane Focus and put them into Arcane Stability. This + a Holy Pally will keep you from gaining cast time if you get hit. Which (if you are occasionally getting hit with something now) will buff your DpS.

And, if you are getting hit and have a Disc Priest, Incanter's Absorbtion will be a nice buff for you. Plus, if there is fire/ice damage, you can use those wards to buff your SP.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 2:42pm by idiggory

You have one too many purple gems. That's a minor thing.

Pick up the crafted pants if you can.

Take Anobix's advice on the trinket.

You may want the run speed increase on your boots. I like it, but some don't care.

Put some points in Incanter's Adsorption (you can take those out of Student of the Mind) and get a priest to shield you. That can be a big DPS bump.



and Anobix... where do you get this stuff? that invisibility thing sounds great!

Rawr tells me he is actually getting more DpS from the yellow+blue for his +7 socket bonus, so that is even more true for the +9 one in the chest and ESPECIALLY true for the +9 in the helm that doesn't require him to use a yellow as well.

It also tells me that Black Magic will be a very minor DpS buff over 81 sp, but not huge.

The predicted Max DpS for his current build, from my Rawr, is 9079.59 DpS.

I stand corrected.

What is your Rawr Predicted DpS (with only those buffs you normally get?)

If you are getting something close to that, good. If you are in the vicinity (say, doing 10-15% less) you may just need to get used to your rotation. If you are doing significantly less, than you still have a problem.

Like I said before. Your DpS with a full set of buffs (at least I think that's what I used) was 9K. If you are getting all those and doing 7K, then you are doing something wrong. The RNG shouldn't be such a massive difference.

Granted, if you move a lot, you will naturally expect less. Part of your job as a Mage is to learn to move as little as possible. And, when you do move, do it efficiently (don't meander--know where you are headed and get there and back to DpSing asap).

[EDIT]

Just to confirm (even though it IS a long shot). In these raids, you DO have an Unholy DK, Warlock or Boomkin, right?

And be sure, if you are running a 10 man with ONLY a lock, beat them if they aren't using CoE. If you aren't getting the +magic buff, that's 13% less DpS.

I would assume you are. But god forbid you aren't. Your guild should be stabbed to death if you aren't. It's one of the most important raid buffs, since MANY classes, even melee ones, have significant amounts of magic damage. A single Rogue would probably be a large enough DpS increase that the overall raid DpS of a lock using CoE would beat out CoA for them.

And yet, you never know. They could be padding their own meters and destroying yours...

Of course, if you have one of those classes, this isn't an issue.

Edited, Mar 4th 2010 8:00pm by idiggory

That depends on when/if he gets bitten. I'm the very last on the list to get bitten (and most of the time I don't get), so my dps isn't all that great, while the melee are first to be bitten, and are always top.

Not much I can do about my group "doing it wrong." I've been in guilds where mages have been appreciated for their glass-cannon-ness (usually when RL is/has been a mage), and guilds where mages are just an afterthought (ie: give storm crit buff to melee during Hodir). I'm in the latter. I'm not complaining, though. We get a lot done and still have a lot of fun, which are the two requirements for me for a guild. :) I actually mis-spoke, though, it's not that melee all get the bite first. What really happens is that a hunter usually gets it first, then the bites are spread into each group, at which time bites are distributed amongst the members of the group. The other mage and I end up bitten last or not at all because our group is bitten last and because we are "little," thus harder to target. :) It might happen at some point that the mages will be bitten first in order to make the fight go faster, but not right now, and we 1shot her last nite, so no biggie.


Looking at the logs last nite, though, I did beat a couple of people who got the bites. :)

To the OP: I'm still struggling with my dps on a few fights, but see how your dps improves with Incanter's Absorption. Also, at the beginning of ICC it was kind of like at the beginning of Wrath, where a lot of mages were scratching their heads about their dps, but getting more gear helped a ton. As you get used to the fights and your gear gets better, you should do better.

I don't envy you, though. I don't like to be ridden about my dps, since I am constantly reading EJ/using Rawr/trying my best. If I were on the bottom of the charts, that'd be one thing, but if I'm pulling my weight and we're killing things, it's an insult to me for someone to ride me, as if I am not doing my best and researching my class constantly.
Personally, if I were being targeted like that, I'd be demanding all BiS drops! lol not really, I just don't think it's fair to demand that a player do the same dps as another player with much better gears.
/rant