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#1 Feb 28 2010 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
What is good DPS rotation for an affliction, Haunt/SL 54/17/0 spec doing heroic instances?
#2 Mar 01 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Like most dps classes now, there isn't so much a rotation as a prioritization system. The typical affliction initial rotation is:

Haunt -> Corruption (Corr) -> Unstable Affliction (UA) -> Curse of Agony (CoA) -> Shadowbolt (SB)

Then you prioritize refreshing DoTs and casting as such:

Haunt > Corr > UA > CoA > SB spam

I picked CoA because you specified heroics. This rotation/prioritization is aimed toward the bosses in heroics. The trash on heroics will usually be going down fast, so just try to DoT up the mobs with CoA quickly and then use Seed of Corruption to AoE them down.
#3 Mar 02 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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I'll add that I found a decent DPS upgrade on heroic bosses using CoE rather than CoA. And on trash that will live awhile I've been using Seed or Corruption rather than CoA.

Fast dying trash (i.e. most heroic trash) I often just Seed them all and start laughing. It's not uncommon for the first Seed to go off by the time I've rotated through all the mobs so I can Seed it again, if needed.

edited for clarity.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 6:43am by TherionSaysWhat
#5 Mar 05 2010 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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CountFenris wrote:
Like most dps classes now, there isn't so much a rotation as a prioritization system. The typical affliction initial rotation is:

Haunt -> Corruption (Corr) -> Unstable Affliction (UA) -> Curse of Agony (CoA) -> Shadowbolt (SB)

Then you prioritize refreshing DoTs and casting as such:

Haunt > Corr > UA > CoA > SB spam

I picked CoA because you specified heroics. This rotation/prioritization is aimed toward the bosses in heroics. The trash on heroics will usually be going down fast, so just try to DoT up the mobs with CoA quickly and then use Seed of Corruption to AoE them down.



Because of Shadow Embrace don't you want to cast SB to start followed by Haunt then get into the priority system? Which would be throw up CoA, Corr then UA. After which Corr just rolls and you just refresh, UA, CoA, Haunt on CD/when fall off and use SB as filler?
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#6 Mar 05 2010 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Horsemouth wrote:
Because of Shadow Embrace don't you want to cast SB to start followed by Haunt then get into the priority system? Which would be throw up CoA, Corr then UA. After which Corr just rolls and you just refresh, UA, CoA, Haunt on CD/when fall off and use SB as filler?


Since the OP specified that they were doing heroics and not raiding, I was tailoring my answer to their situation and just trying to keep it simple. Nowadays with the speed the mobs (and bosses) go down in heroics I find that rotation optimization is a little moot. This is especially true for affliction locks; even with random heroic PuGs for frost emblems I find I barely get through one rotation before the boss is dead, and all trash is an AoE spam.

Shadow Embrace now stacks 3 times, so if you want to really optimize it you wouldn't be casting Corruption until you had applied Haunt and sent off two shadowbolts (and waited for the server lag to acknowledge the 3 stacks of Shadow Embrace). By this time a heroic boss is typically almost dead and you haven't applied any DoTs yet. I mean, I also didn't mention chugging a Wild Magic potion at the right time either, but again, I was just speaking to heroic runs.

To really amplify the power of your DoTs it can get even more complicated depending on your gear. Currently one of my trinkets is Nevermelting Ice Crystal, so after researching on EJ I usually get my 3 Shadow Embrace stacks on a boss and then pop that trinket and hit Corruption. Since a crit effect (as opposed to a spell power or other temporary enhancement effect) will roll when my Corr is refreshed by Everlasting Affliction, it makes that DoT very powerful. But again, I only do this during an ICC raid, not in heroic instances.

Affliction is a fun spec because it can get much more complicated than the other lock specs when you try to juggle and prioritize and optimize your spells. Again, my initial response was intended to be general and keep things simplified. I would suggest visiting the EJ affliction lock thread if you want to read up on in-depth analysis and advice from people who have crunched a lot more numbers than I have on the subject.

Edited, Mar 5th 2010 11:17am by CountFenris
#7 May 11 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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CountFenris wrote:

Since the OP specified that they were doing heroics and not raiding, I was tailoring my answer to their situation and just trying to keep it simple. Nowadays with the speed the mobs (and bosses) go down in heroics I find that rotation optimization is a little moot. This is especially true for affliction locks; even with random heroic PuGs for frost emblems I find I barely get through one rotation before the boss is dead, and all trash is an AoE spam.


By looking at his specific spec the most optimal 5-man boss rot imo is:

1. haunt - coa - corr - ua - haunt - sb.

2. coa - haunt - corr - ua - sb - haunt.

With priority: Haunt > Corr > UA > CoElements > SB filler.

The reason for putting CoA up as early as possible is that you want it to get to it's stronger ticks as early as possible. I prefer to replace it with elements after it expires because it's likely that on it's second run CoA will not reach it's last tick. Besides he has to have amplify curse or his spec would be pointless. And in a 5-man group where there are at least 2 casters CoElements might help more than CoA.

The reason why you don't care if Haunt is up during the first tick of CoA is that the first tick of CoA sucks anyways, you dont prioritize it for being strong but for wanting it's stronger ticks to come sooner.

However you might care about rotations for PuGs just in case you get the nearly impossible event (cough cough) of having both of your DPS get killed early in the fight leaving the full DPS duty on you and the tank. Not that it would ever happen ever...

As for shadow embrace my personal number crunching done ages ago concludes that: Shadow Embrace does very little until after all of your DoTs are already up (duh!). It puzzles me that some people waste all that time building up shadow embrace before putting up the DoTs when the DPS would escalate earlier if you put all the DoTs before Shadow Embrace.

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Fast dying trash (i.e. most heroic trash) I often just Seed them all and start laughing. It's not uncommon for the first Seed to go off by the time I've rotated through all the mobs so I can Seed it again, if needed.


In heroics the massive AoE damage from other party members will cause the seeds to blow up early, the most I get to rotate trough is 3 mobs, but most of the time 2-1 mobs. Even the damage from the tank. Most of the time you can have the Seeds explode almost instantly by just spamming seed on the tank's target. You do lose DPCT from not letting it do it's DoT effect, but you gain DPS from getting the explossions every 2 sec.

The downside of Seed spam is that you're burning madly trough your mana while at the same time not using any self-healing effects. This is null if you get collateral healing like ret paladins or chain heals. Otherwise you end up having to mix your seeding with haunts and maybe even drainlife. Or you could just stress your PuG healer for it if you're feeling you got a good one.


Edited, May 11th 2010 1:00pm by xorq
#8 May 19 2010 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Affliction doesn't cast SB for the Shadows Embrace buff.
You cast "a" SB to apply Improved Shadowbolt Buff(5% crit)

55/0/15+1 precasts SB for buff
54/17/0 = Haunt - UA - Corruption - CoA
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