Okay, I've been trying to see if using the gear that I picked up in 25 ICC last night would be beneficial to me. Problem is, the spreadsheet is missing a few of my pieces (and I'm unsure on how to add the ones I have).
Anywho, I've picked up this, this and this last night. I currently have the T10 chestpiece sitting in my bags for when I get a second piece for the 2p bonus.
Anywho, I tried plugging in what I could in the spreadsheet and found that changing out the chestpiece for the one above, I'd lose dps, but changing out my shoulders would gain me some. Thing is, it'll drop me to 3/5 T9.
So, I was thinking, should I use the shoulders and just go ahead and place my T10 chestpiece on? Which would leave me with only the 2pT9/1pT10 until I can get a second T10 piece? Like I said, from what I could place in the spreadsheet the T10 chest and the shoulders show my dps should be up.
Here's my armory at the moment. Still currently working on swapping out quite a few gems (and finishing up leveling my JC so I can make myself the slightly more ArP gems). And am working on getting the ArP trinket out of ICC. And yes... I know, I'm still needing to fix my spec for the 1/3-4/5 in the Assassination tree with my poisons lol.
As you can see, I'm a bit inept when it comes to the spreadsheet. Although I did try to place as much as I could into it, I just couldn't find how to show my stuff that aren't listed.
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To add new items to the spread sheet go to the "Gear" tab, and find the slow you want to add an item too. You can either replace one item that you know you won't be getting(a heroic ICC25 item maybe) or shift all the items down one to make space for a new item(don't know how to do this). Put in the numbers and than you have your new item.
EDIT: I will say that ICC25 pieces>232 pieces by a fair margin unless you drop below expertise/hit caps.
Edited, Feb 24th 2010 3:20pm by GodOfMoo
EDIT: I will say that ICC25 pieces>232 pieces by a fair margin unless you drop below expertise/hit caps.
Edited, Feb 24th 2010 3:20pm by GodOfMoo
Yeah, I'm currently trying to read through the forums but still can't find anything about adding the gear that isn't there.
Anywho, so do you think that using the 2pT9/1pT10 would be a bad idea instead of keeping the 4pT9? With the former, I'd be using the shoulderpads above and removing the chestpiece for the T10 one. Still haven't replaced my boots with those I listed, since I need to gem and enchant them, but that's irrelevant to, I guess, what I'm asking lol.
Anywho, so do you think that using the 2pT9/1pT10 would be a bad idea instead of keeping the 4pT9? With the former, I'd be using the shoulderpads above and removing the chestpiece for the T10 one. Still haven't replaced my boots with those I listed, since I need to gem and enchant them, but that's irrelevant to, I guess, what I'm asking lol.
Well, look at it this way. Compare the 5% crit on specials with the stats you'll gain/lose. Napkin math works for that.
You could give me that chest price if you don't want it, I wont even charge you.
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I fail at napkin math (and theorycrafting in general) lol.
I think I may just try to do a couple of bosses with the T10 chest/and the new shoulders, and then another few bosses with my current set up.
It's give me a vague idea on whether it'd be smart or not lol.
And it's currently up on the AH right now , Horse. So feel free to retrieve it from there if you'd like =P
I think I may just try to do a couple of bosses with the T10 chest/and the new shoulders, and then another few bosses with my current set up.
It's give me a vague idea on whether it'd be smart or not lol.
And it's currently up on the AH right now , Horse. So feel free to retrieve it from there if you'd like =P
Honestly, everything else is just guessing, although trying them out in a couple of fights may help if the difference is large enough. If the difference is small, you can't count on it since so many things change even when the same group does the same boss a week later.
Not only that, but what if one is "waaaay better" and the other is "not better but a little worse," but when you put them both on the result is "better" and you then think "Eureka! These two are both better than the other two!". Are you going to try a couple of fights with just one, try a couple of fights with just the other, try a couple of fights with both? Oh wait, you have three new pieces . . .
See what I mean?
Everything else is just guessing beyond spreadsheeting it. Try the Rogue Java App on EJ, it may have that gear. Otherwise try GoM's suggestion and replace something; something you don't think you'll get or something that is below what you have already (since it already isn't suggested as better than what you're using, unless you're using something knowing it's not the best suggested). After all, when you spreadsheet, you really are only interested in having the gear on the spreadsheet that is available to you at that moment. Who cares if there's a better piece if you don't have it yet? You want to know "what is the best gear set out of all the gear I have now?"
I could go on and on with this post, but there really is so much more to consider than just the stats on the pieces you have. Like, if you're a skinner and have the extra crit, is crit on the new gear worth as much since there is a crit cap? Or if you're a JC and have access to those bigger stat gems, is that piece really not as good or is it better if you switch around some of those bigger stat gems from Ag to AP or to Arp or to Hit or to Haste?
I'm sorry if I'm not really helping and am just making things less clear, but that's the point I think.
Not only that, but what if one is "waaaay better" and the other is "not better but a little worse," but when you put them both on the result is "better" and you then think "Eureka! These two are both better than the other two!". Are you going to try a couple of fights with just one, try a couple of fights with just the other, try a couple of fights with both? Oh wait, you have three new pieces . . .
See what I mean?
Everything else is just guessing beyond spreadsheeting it. Try the Rogue Java App on EJ, it may have that gear. Otherwise try GoM's suggestion and replace something; something you don't think you'll get or something that is below what you have already (since it already isn't suggested as better than what you're using, unless you're using something knowing it's not the best suggested). After all, when you spreadsheet, you really are only interested in having the gear on the spreadsheet that is available to you at that moment. Who cares if there's a better piece if you don't have it yet? You want to know "what is the best gear set out of all the gear I have now?"
I could go on and on with this post, but there really is so much more to consider than just the stats on the pieces you have. Like, if you're a skinner and have the extra crit, is crit on the new gear worth as much since there is a crit cap? Or if you're a JC and have access to those bigger stat gems, is that piece really not as good or is it better if you switch around some of those bigger stat gems from Ag to AP or to Arp or to Hit or to Haste?
I'm sorry if I'm not really helping and am just making things less clear, but that's the point I think.
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Use everything but the shoulders, because the shoulders are ugly. That's an important consideration.
But seriously- with rogue especially, the higher iLevel is often better but you may have to regem some of your other stuff. Dropping in expertise can make a pretty big difference in the dps it calculates for instance.
But seriously- with rogue especially, the higher iLevel is often better but you may have to regem some of your other stuff. Dropping in expertise can make a pretty big difference in the dps it calculates for instance.
Well I had just gotten my JC high enough to get the ArP JC only gem. I placed one in my T10 piece. Finally gemmed the boots I got and put those on.
I'm going to be playing around with my gear again and switching things out and whatnot and see what would work. I'm still about 40-50 Frosts from my second T10 (really shouldn't take too terribly long to get if I can get into the ICC10 run on Sunday)
I'm going to be playing around with my gear again and switching things out and whatnot and see what would work. I'm still about 40-50 Frosts from my second T10 (really shouldn't take too terribly long to get if I can get into the ICC10 run on Sunday)
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Imo, use all your 264 pieces. Boots, chest and shoulders. 4p T9 for rogues is worth roughly 70+ dps, kinda weak.
Us the shoulders and/or Chest until you start getting the set bonus from T10.
I luckily got that chest my first ICC 25, and built my 4 piece around that. I also have those shoulders, sitting in my bags because the 251 shoulders give me 4 piece. I will use them again down the road possibly.
I luckily got that chest my first ICC 25, and built my 4 piece around that. I also have those shoulders, sitting in my bags because the 251 shoulders give me 4 piece. I will use them again down the road possibly.
So you guys think I should just use the shoulders and my T10 chest, keeping the 2pT9?
Like I said, I'm not very good with napkin math, so I don't know for sure how much dps I'd be losing out on with the 4pT9 bonus.
Like I said, I'm not very good with napkin math, so I don't know for sure how much dps I'd be losing out on with the 4pT9 bonus.
2 piece T9 is the rupture right? Rupture shouldn't be in your rotation anyway, as either Mutilate or Combat. So keeping the bonus is useless.
Excluding 5 mans where you might have to apply your own bleed to use HfB.
Excluding 5 mans where you might have to apply your own bleed to use HfB.
Yeah the 2p is rupture the 4 is the 5% crit strike chance on your moves (like ss)
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