PSA: Stacking Intellect does not make a good Healadin.Follow

So, yesterday I did a random, and found myself in H-OK. Not my favorite instance, but I'm not one of those tanks who will bail without even giving it a try.

The very first thing I like to do, is mouse-over the healer's HP and Mana, to get some rough idea of their gear. If I see 16-18k mana, then I know the healer just started gearing up and I should be prepared for a little pain. If I see 22+ then it should be good.

Should be.

Last night, I ran into a Holy Paladin who had 22k HP and 26.5k Mana.

Now, I've NEVER seen a Holy Paladin with 26.5k mana... I assumed this guy was decked out in ICC stuff.

Imagine the surprise I felt when I was near-dying on every pull, and when DPS were barely surviving trash pulls when they'd get hit with AoE and Splash damage. Elder Nadox wasn't that easy, though the vampire went down easy enough.

Then sh*t hit the fan. We died 3 times on the way to Jedoga, this guy just couldn't keep people up. He'd stand in the flamestrikes and die, etc etc. It's a wonder we got Jedoga down. Anyways, one more wipe after Jedoga, and I start getting annoyed. At one point, I go "Dude, how does a 26.5k healer OOM every other _Trash_ pull!?"

To which he replies:

"Because you suck and take too much of my mana."

Now... I don't know about you, but when a tank never loses threat (except that one death in which I forgot Righteous Fury, my bad) for more than a second or two and is quick on the taunts, and when a tank has 41k health after buffs, and has 90+ combined block/dodge/parry, it is *hardly* the tank's fault. Especially if said tank is #2 on the DPS meter. WoW-heroes says that I am almost ready for ICC10; I think that's plenty good enough for Heroic-Freaking-Old Kingdom.

I don't know much about Holy Healing myself, but I swear Flash of Light was the only spell on this guy's hot key bar. He might have thrown a Holy Light or two, I don't know. Surely he had more tools, that he should have been using?

Other than that.... just how does a 26.5k mana healer OOM on a trash pack when the tank isn't losing aggro?

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 4:31pm by Zariamnk

Except for some odd reason, he was OOMing even on the 3x bug pulls, even when I was stunning and silencing the shadow blast casts. I just can't understand how he would go from 100% down to 50% on 3 bugs. I'm not taking too much damage; like I said, wow-heroes says I'm almost ready for ICC10, and I tanked it just fine any other time.

I'm thinking he stacked Intellect, Intellect, and more Intellect and had dirt poor spellpower or something.

Maybe he just spammed holy light when he saw damage regardless of how much it was, or kept refreshing beacon every 15 seconds or something. Recount has an overhealing report you could check out in the future.

I just finished spending all my spare triumph badges on t9 for holy and some of the trinkets and rings you can buy and i have around 28.5k mana self buffed. But i don't put int in every slot like some pallies i see; i like int/mp5 for blue sockets and just straight spellpower for red. I've done a few heroics and i very rarely if ever go below 25k mana. Sacred shield > flash of light and that's the tank taken care of for 12 seconds and you can go around cleansing and topping up the rest. Judgement of light on high hp enemies is usually a lot of healing for next to no mana also.

My holy spec is ToC25-geared; 5-man buffed I have around 18k-19k health and 32k mana.



Are you sure he was actually *Holy*, as opposed to a Ret-healer or Prot-healer? They do exist (they are or were acceptable PvP builds), but my experience has been they can fail spectacularly in PvE instances.

26k is nothing, there is a guy on my server that breaks 40k with kings and that's it.

I do find it slightly humorous that the only thing the OP complained about was the only thing the pally was doing right.

This was right after the 3rd wipe because the idiot stood in a flamestrike and got killed. I was getting a bit pissed at this point, and forgot to click it on, after blowing 100% mana and grumbling about having to drink the 10th water this dungeon because of it. Blizzard Promised to make it so Righteous Fury wasn't supposed to wear off upon death, but it wears off when I die, every. stinking. time. Sometimes I just Forget to put it back on after a wipe. Especially if I'm swearing away at this idiot.



Which Reminds me: I was doing 90% of the Cleansing. Thanks for reminding me of that. Yes, me, the tank doing half of the healer's job. Imagine that.....



DPS are supposed to be whacking away at the mob if they are melee; which all but one were in this group. I was moving out of flamestrikes myself, so... if they were standing in flamestrikes, then they weren't up with the mob, swinging at them as they should have been. The warlock in the group, maybe... that's still fail. Okay, so maybe not ALL of the fail was the healer's.



Paladins have three resist auras: Shadow, Fire, and Frost. I was using mine, the Holy Paladin had Devotion on fulltime. Nevermind that MY Devotion was stronger than his, due to a talent in my talent tree. Even when I had Devotion on, he kept his Devotion up.



He was going 'mana' after every stinking trash pull. He would literally go from 100% down to 50% every trash pull, EVEN the trash pull with the 3 bugs, EVEN with me saving my Avenger's Shield and Hammer of the Righteous for stopping Shadow Blasts. Even with me cleansing 3 out of 5 poisons.

I've never played Holy before; I'm Ret/Prot.. one thing I DON'T want to do, is try to school someone on something I've never done myself. Though if I keep seeing fail Holy healers, then I might have to start reading some guides or something. Usually, holy paladins are pretty good, I still don't know what the heck was wrong with this guy.



I must not have the kind of luck you guys do, when I see a healer with 25k+ mana, I consider that "good" because I'm used to seeing healers in the 18-22k range. Every now and then I'll get an uber healer with Tot(G)Cr stuff on, but... that seems rare to me. Probably because I do heroics on weird off-hours, when the main raiding crowd ain't doing anything like that. I get all of the raiding rejects (not saying that in an offensive way) that can't raid because of their online schedules (similar to my own boat, actually).

Edited, Jan 31st 2010 7:06pm by Zariamnk

Depends on the healer, to be honest.

My Druid is barely breaking 19k in full T9 (4.8k GS). I had 16k mana for the longest time while we did ToC10.

Amen to this. Walked into an AN the other night, had a total fail healer who bailed after the first trash pull. Our next one came in and I did the same: checked his mp... OMG. 16k!? I thought we were doomed. Turns out he was PvP-geared. He went below 50% twice; and after a glyphed innervate, was fine. The run went super smoothly, and the healer was great, never even had to rest and drink.

I see a lot of people talking about "40k mana unbuffed", and I think this needs some clarification on why its not likely a good thing.

Holy Paladins want to hit 32-37k, and really should not go much higher. The reason for this being is if you can reach ungodly amounts of mana like 40k then you are more then likely capable of obtaining items such as Solace of the Defeated. Solace of the Defeated is most definitely better then lets say Talisman of Resurgence, and its not hard to obtain. When you look at high end Holy Paladin look at their haste, and trinkets those are often the biggest tells on whether that person knows his stuff or not.

Ebany as much as I agree that you can be a good Flash of Light Paladin I also very strongly believe that if someone with equal ability to you plays a Holy Light Paladin they will prove stronger. This however does not mean you can not play a Paladin the way you want, or that you can't play better then a Holy Light Paladin it just means in the best theory crafted setup Holy Light is stronger.

In the end this game is a pleasure game first, and foremost thus some can play as Flash of Light Paladins while still maintaining some effectiveness.

Edited, Mar 19th 2010 11:28pm by Yooya

The heals from Glyph of Holy Light are not transferred by Beacon.


Personally, I regret trading 14k mana for 1400 spellpower. Maybe I'm just not used to it, it's only been two weeks. Or maybe my 10-man group just doesn't support it. Even with 814 haste, I'm not haste capped because we're missing Wrath of Air and the 3% haste buff; also missing a SP totem and MotW. Sometimes even missing Replenishment, when our priest has to heal.

4100 spell power in a full 25-man, before the PvP libram. But I'm still planning to farm back the 20 yellow gems.

Holy Light Paladins pick these up because they have reached a point of effectiveness where they can transfer some stats. In some cases they also are just plain better for example, Solace of the Defeated is a better mana regeneration trinket then Talisman of Resurgence.

Having 40k mana as a Holy Paladin at the loss of other stats is not a good thing, because it isn't necessary.

Edited, Mar 20th 2010 7:16pm by Yooya