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#1 Jan 29 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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Hello everyone,

In order to judge my potential and identify possible "mistakes" in my situational rotation as a Moonkin I thought I would relate a few of my past raid experiences and see what comes of it.

Its pretty tough competition in my guild since everyone has full 245/251. I have almost full 245 <minus a cape that plagues me with bad rolls for an upgrade> a few 232s and a 265 trink. I was lucky enough to get two trophies to buy 245 set gear and my other 2 pieces are 232 and my wep is 232.

I have been pretty low on each DPS meter doing TOGC (usually 16th/25) and dishing out probably around 6K maximum on the single target boss mobs, which is practically every encounter. Lord Jaraxxus summons his lady minion and I get a blip more from hitting 2 chars with starfall YAY, but other than that I have benchmarked myself there.

On a single target raid dummy in IF I can manage 4k dps but it slowly falls off to about 3.5 as treants cooldown before you can use em again. I have my haste gloves macro'd to my starfall which I bound to my 3rd mouse button for immediate use upon cooldown.

I really have done some thorough research in to my rotation <all hail arex> so comparisons and other points of view on what our "target" dps is for single Raid bosses would be great.

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#2 Jan 29 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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I gave a little check on your armory and theres no reason your dps should be the same as mine. Whats your rotation? How do you usually play your moonkin?
One thing I noticed is that your trinkets are not the ideal, but maybe you are used to them, I dunno. I like the ones that give SP each time we cast, like Illustration of Dragon Soul and Eye of Broodmother. The one from Anub is quite OP too.
How much crit/hit/haste/sp do you have?
#3 Jan 29 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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All my stats show on my link including SP etc OUT of Moonkin form. Depending on when you checked I was either in my raid gear or else in my healing gear doing a daily. Can't beat the quick LFG cue as healer.
2400 ish SP
Soft cap Haste
Over Hit cap with either shammy or spriest I raid with
Gemmed pretty well to Arex's standard of all +23 SP runed cardinal rubies, with 2 blues and the meta with +3% crit dmg.
I need to add my head spell pat and spellthread to pants but that is on its way soon.
I have Maghias misguided quill trink since I am expecting to be well under hit cap when I use my frosts to buy the Helm and the proc is new and hopefully helps my dps next raid.

Cast sequence in Raid group-
TReants, Starfall-<procs speed tinker 1 min cd> Faery Fire, Moonfire, ISwarm, wrath until starfire procs, then starfire until wrath procs and replenish ISwarm in between and moonfire later on as it is hopefully being restored from glyph crits.
I have my two trinkets set up to cast with Starfire or Wrath depending on which one is not on cooldown of 2 mins.
Basically I can cast Tinker speed 1 min CD <30 sec trinket CD> Trinket #1 Proc 2 min CD <30 sec trinket> and then repeat using trinket #2 in rotation.
I have stopped abolishing poison all together including decursing as I now raid with two Tree healers in our 25 mans, and I did notice that it upped my DPS. I still catch myself wanting to and in a Raid atmosphere i need to stamp that out.

Just completed a "Halls of Reflection" run and I easily dished out 4.5K dps on trash and the first two bosses. Every time I use Treants I get about a 1.5K bonus I think. On the skeletal minion in the center of the hallway between confrontations I was doing a solid 6.2 ish DPS.
I still think my single target DPS for Raid bosses <TOGC 25> will probably be around 4.5 ish...... with Trees adding on every cooldown.

I am also swapping my trinks so I am using the most powerful one first to get as much out as soon as possible.

The Arex symbol would be like the Bat symbol, but it would be a pie!

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 3:24pm by Duedain
#4 Jan 29 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Get rid of that spell pen gem.

Otherwise someone else is likely better qualified.
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#5 Jan 29 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
Quick!!

Someone light the Arex Symbol!

#6 Jan 29 2010 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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I am no Boomkin genius by any means. Arex can help more but here is my 2 cents:

First thing, your shoulder enchant. Work on your Sons of Hodir rep and get it to exalted. Second thing is Trinkets. I don't know much about the quill but I know that the talisman isn't great for Boomkins. And finally your offhand. Try to get the offhand from either 10 or 25 man ToC or even the off hand that drops in H HoR. That's all I can see other then your gems. Change those +20 spirit into +12 spell power +10 spirit. I believe they are purple but I may be wrong.
#7 Jan 29 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
I may have missed a memo, but conventional wisdom to my knowledge also says that the top 3 glyphs are Insect Swarm, Moonfire, and Starfire.

You also have two Spirit gems. They should be replaced with purple spellpower/spirit gems.
#8 Jan 29 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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Overlord Norellicus wrote:
I may have missed a memo, but conventional wisdom to my knowledge also says that the top 3 glyphs are Insect Swarm, Moonfire, and Starfire.

There are some discussion about it right now, but even so it shouldnt be the main problem in his deeps.

- Change head gem to 23 Spell Power.

- Use the Purple gem (spirit + spell power) on chest + red gem.

- Change Leg gem for a purple one too (now you are done with the 2 blue gems needed. fill all the rest with +23 red gem).

- You're a NElf so you probably only need 232 hit rating if you raid 25s.

- Change the trinkets.

- Graylo (one of the top moonkins out there) has a very good equipment list. You can base yours on it.

- I dont see the Spell Penetrarion gem that some are talking about. Maybe you had your pvp set on.

- Change shoulder enchantment.

- You need 400 haste. You only have 314 right now (on armory at least).

- Consider changing the glove enchantment for spell power. After soft cap, haste is only usefull for SF.

- Consider changing your of-hand for one that has more stats on it. One with haste + crit would do wonders for you right now.

That's about all I can say. Even though, I dont think this is enough to have you doing the deeps I do, while I have lesser equipment than you.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 10:38pm by Brisin
#9 Feb 01 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Brisin, I dont understand the "You're a NElf so you probably only need 232 hit rating if you raid 25s. "


To the OP, besides the spirit to sp gems change, I also advise:

-try getting one of the staves from ToC10, should be easier and faster than getting both better off-hand and main-hand
-get the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers
-run ToC 5man for the trinket with haste and use it instead the Int trinket
-get Ashen Verdict rep for that lovely ring
#10 Feb 01 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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The real Arex symbol is a boomkin holding a bottle of whisky. Much like the bottle of Jameson I got from my Christmas Party last night!

Anywho... Sorry for not posting for the last week, school + work + school + drinking + gf gone for the weekend + mass wow time = not a whole lot of posting.

Shall we begin?

Helm - Change gem to 12sp/10 spirit
Shoulders - Need the best shoulder enchant from hodir, not the welfare one gotta take care of that.
Legs - You need the leg enchant that has sp/spirit. Also put in the 12sp/10 spirit gem.
Trinkets - I don't really like your choice of trinkets. They're all lackluster on dps. Especially int and an on use. Go for the abyssal rune from 5 man TOC heroic. Or just pick up the sundial from the emblem vendors.

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I have my haste gloves macro'd to my starfall which I bound to my 3rd mouse button for immediate use upon cooldown.


Change this immediately. Do not macro them together. You use your gloves right as you proc your lunar eclipse, not with starfall.

For the way you start up do this. Target the boss, queue up treants, about 1 second before combat starts open up treants near the boss, spam your FF key and then hit starfall followed by MF and IS and into your starting wrath string. This might help.

Get squawkandawe if you dont have it to track your dots. Don't over write them, let them fall off and then reapply them.

Haste soft cap is 401 rating. You want to be exactly at that, you get more it doesn't hurt but it's not near as beneficial after 401.

Ultimately I think your single target dps outside of a raid is low. Once you get some different trinkets that have spell power on them with a proc or just have ramp ups like eye of the broodmother you'll see some pretty good jumps in your dps. Practice your rotations on target dummies. It will really really really help when fights get movement heavy.

Also just remember, boomkins are really hindered because of eclipse. You're not gonna top dps, let me rephrase that. You won't top it very often unless you're in a tank and spank with 0 movement involved and you get the best eclipse procs back to back like you've ever seen.

You're on the right track just need to refine it a little bit.
#11 Feb 01 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
Amaiya wrote:
Brisin, I dont understand the "You're a NElf so you probably only need 232 hit rating if you raid 25s. "


Night Elf = Alliance = grouped with Draenei = freebie 1% hit just for being in the group with em.
#12 Feb 01 2010 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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Overlord Norellicus wrote:
Amaiya wrote:
Brisin, I dont understand the "You're a NElf so you probably only need 232 hit rating if you raid 25s. "


Night Elf = Alliance = grouped with Draenei = freebie 1% hit just for being in the group with em.

That. And the part I say "if you raid 25s" its because you have more chance to be grouped with a Draenei in 25s than on 10s or 5s...
#13 Feb 01 2010 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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Ah yes, not used to that way of putting it, plus the wrong number threw me off also. Should be 236.

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 2:47pm by Amaiya
#14 Feb 01 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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Amaiya wrote:
Ah yes, not used to that way of putting it, plus the wrong number threw me off also. Should be 236.

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 2:47pm by Amaiya

In my head its like "230 something. meh, as long its between 230 and 240 is just fine.". And, honestly, 232 or 236 is pretty much the same. 5 raids logged with 232 and 0 miss, so...
#15 Feb 01 2010 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for then posts everyone.
I have a few things to work on for sure.
#16 Feb 01 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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That. And the part I say "if you raid 25s" its because you have more chance to be grouped with a Draenei in 25s than on 10s or 5s...


I bolded this for a reason.

Hit cap is based upon the mobs level. If the mob is 83, which is what all raid bosses are you will need 17% to hit them.

If the mob is only level 80, which is the case in all heroics you only need 4%.

You get that 4% from Balance of Power, hence if you just do heroics you don't even need hit gear.
#17 Feb 02 2010 at 1:40 AM Rating: Good
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ArexLovesPie of Future Fabulous! wrote:
If the mob is only level 80, which is the case in all heroics you only need 4%.

You get that 4% from Balance of Power, hence if you just do heroics you don't even need hit gear.


Bosses are 82 but the jump in hit needs from 82 to 83 is huge.

With Balance of Power in a pure heroic environment you need 53 hit rating on gear to be capped. That is trivial to get with out even trying.
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