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I trust you were getting the debuffs from he Dark Nucleii, right?



Edit: Sounds like you'll need at least 3 on you to survive an empowered bolt, though 4 would be much better.

Edited, Jan 20th 2010 11:57pm by Poldaran

You are supposed to, did you have mage armor up as well? It really is a better fight for a warlock to tank due to their increased threat from searing pain. The Dark Nuclei should have been either already spawned or just need to have more health+shields or something like that. I'm sure the pull will be as fun to learn as Illidari Council was to learn (mage - bop me, run in, instant + spellsteal, spam casts to hold aggro).


How are you guys having so much trouble with festergut? We got him down after 2 hours of attempts in 25man and 1st night in 10man (I wasn't there for it but was told so). Is your raid dps really low? Should be shooting for an avg (in 25man) of about 7k, I assume 10man may be 6k or something.

Oh, and I am freaking jealous that you could get into ICC last night, we couldn't launch any more instances and called it after an hour of trying to get in the door.

Edited, Jan 21st 2010 8:23am by Anobix

We are using a spriest to range tank it, seems to work better than a lock or hunter. I think mages are just too squishy for it, no self heals or anything. Plus, mages are top dps on that fight. :)

But if you are the only ranged and your guild says you keep tanking it, don't wear any SR gear. It keeps you from getting the orbs and doesn't mitigate any of the shadow lance damage. Also, if you have hunters, get them to MD the orbs to you when they can. As Pold said, you need 4 orbs to protect you from the lances.


P.S. mages on festergut: we've been standing still and not collapsing in to get innoculations until the first blight, at which time we IB through it (unless we get the spores, in which case we have to collapse on the group, of course). After the first blight, we have to get innoculated, in case we get a second blight, but this will improve mage dps on this fight.

That's a good idea, Anobix. We bring the spores to the healers, though (and not allowed to stand with melee, alas). I ended up with a lot of vomiting last night, so that's another good idea!

@ Festergut:
We don't know why we're getting smished. The numbers are all there. One of our tanks is a little undergeared, but by some coincidence he's not the one dying.
Our healers are putting out 4500 HPS each, and we even tried with a third healer.
Our overall raid DPS is at around 33K, which is 1K more than necessary. I know it's scraping by, but numbers wise, we're there.
We found out that we were positioning healers wrong. We had both of them out at range, and apparantly the one healing the tank is supposed to be with the melee. Hopefully we can down him tonight.

@ Blood Council
The irony of it is, normally we DO run with a warlock, just neither of them were there tonight.
My mage is admittedly a little squishy, but she does have 19Kish HP. She technically survives through one shadow lance, as her Ice Barrier absorbs it. The second one just annihilates her.
I wasn't running mage armor, I'm too used to running Molten, so I can give that a try as well.
Would it be wise to start manipulating a macro? I'm thinking something like just as the shadow lance casts, pop a macro that throws up Dampen Magic on the first press, and removes it the second press (so I'm still receiving full heals).

Do the Blood Council heal (sounds like a stupid question, but I don't remember seeing any heals in their description)? If so, would using Amp Magic work on them? Hell, is there any bosses that I can use it on to get a tiny little boost for myself?

We were able to last a LITTLE longer with a warlock, but that warlock admittedly sucked. Hopefully we can gear up this new warlock we have.

Oh, it did. We go them to 90% instead of 95%.

Is this 10 man?

We were able to do this with 2 tanks, which is nice, because we happened to have 2 tanks. He no longer melee's at all, so there's no need for a ranged tank anymore.

So we had the MT (warrior) on both the other guys, the OT (paladin) on the shadow lance guy, the warlock collecting shadow balls and delivering them to the OT (and keeping them out of everyone else's way), the hunter, the s.priest and I on kinetic bomb/kill the boss if you have a GCD free duty (we were split into "territories" to cover, then communicated over vent if we couldn't get to one), the dps DK on boss DPS/fire orb absorption (he ran along with it so we squishy guys didn't have to worry about it) and the healers going balls out on the tank with two bosses. Easy, right?

The key is that there really is no enrage timer, so you can keep going until your healers run out of mana. We eventually slowed down, assigned everyone jobs, didn't worry so much about dps on the bosses and everything worked out. I think I got unlucky and ended up doing most of the kinetic orb juggling at the end (3 at once gets a little tricky) and ended up short of 2000 dps on the fight overall (kinetic bombs adsorb everything), but it went very smoothly.

E misunderstanding as he said they had a pally OTing with a warlock bringing the orbs to him.

A Paladin will take less damage than a Ranged... He no longer Auto-attacks, and only uses Shadow Bolts or summons Resonances. A Paladin will take less damage from the non-empowered Shadow Bolts, will pump out more threat than a Warlock and has a chance to live if you don't get Resonances in time.

Ah, I see.

Though, in that case, wouldn't it still be easier to 3-tank it? Less incoming damage and the threat-threshold on Kel will be much higher. It isn't exactly to pull hate from a Lock...

Or do they share health pools or something?

They do share health pools in the sense that there is only one health pool to deplete, but the damage you're dealing to Keleseth if he's not Empowered counts for nothing toward the council's death (but it does count for full threat).

Having been a regular tank who had to tank Keleseth (we did it in a pinch cause we couldn't figure out why range tank was dying...this is before we figured out the problem with shadow resistance), I'll say it sucks big time, as we just don't have enough tools to get the Nuclei to us and tank Keleseth effectively.

Though this was while he still melee'd and I had to play keep away, so if he straight up doesn't melee anymore and won't forcibly maintain a 10 yard gap then a normal tank could probably do much better. You're not going to be getting a lot of rage though (and unless perma-plea works on spell hits, Paladins will be running out of mana), so your threat won't exactly be stellar either. The best thing to do is just whoever is tanking Keleseth should be getting every bit of Tricks and Misdirection the group has, as soon as Keleseth becomes Empowered. If you do that it shouldn't even matter what you have tanking it, because they should have a pretty good threat lead to begin with from the first and possibly second Empowerment shifts, plus the threat redirects. Ideally they'll have also gathered enough Nuclei that they can stand still and open up on him to allow maximum dps uptime for the duration of the Empowerment.

It won't be less incoming damage to have a real tank on him, because the lances are unresistable. I'm pretty sure not even the reduction talents that you get as a tank (Protector of the Pack/Defensive Stance/etc) help, as I recall getting 15k hits in the first period before the Nuclei appear.

Inconvenient, maybe, but it's a good way to enforce using the mechanics of the fight the way they intended