Frostbolt/Chill TalentsFollow

Yes, despite not having the effect, frostbolt still triggers abilities that rely on a 'chill.'

well yes it can crit whether or not you can use spells on int like AI or focus magic i dont know you would have to try and sorry i dont know if it gets any of your crit rating.

I probably never would have, unless there wasn't a healer for some reason and I was the only magic DpS.

Great, thanks.

But, to be fair, it doesn't say that it has to be a spell crit to give the caster their 3% buff.

So, in the best case scenario when casting it on a Rogue (with the assumption that poisons can't crit) is that it will be half as effective. Still worth casting, imo. It would probably be most useful on a Rogue if the only other option is, say, a Tree. Even if it does give them 3% crit, they probably don't need it. And a Rogue will guarantee the uptime on you. :D

If you have a caster to put it on, that will offer the best net DpS gain for the group (at least in most situations). But I can see why you'd put it on a Rogue in at least a few likely situations (A group with only you and a Resto Druid as casters isn't that unlikely). Plus, plenty of DKs put Hysteria on themselves when they aren't the number one DpS (and it is a % increase, so it gets the biggest bonus from the #1). It may be lower net gain, but it boosts your own meter. If you aren't in an environment where you NEED to have the absolute top DpS overall (such as in high-end progression) then it doesn't matter that much.

Even that isn't perfect, due to haste and the two spells having different default cast times. But I guess it would be better than nothing.

If a person is REALLY good at watching casts, I could see the use of a macro that JUST used waterbolt, but tying it to frost bolt is a TERRIBLE idea.
A mage in fair gear hovers around a 1.8 second frostbolt. Water bolt is ALWAYS a 2.5 second cast. There is no easy / proper way to sync it up so that they match up.
If you use the above macro, you'll confuse poor Puddles, and make him reset his cast every time.

If anyone's seeing an increase in DPS using that macro, they are doing something terribly wrong.

By the way, once you get it, Frostfire Bolt is a good way to pull a mob while levelling. It makes it so you can glyph the extra damage for frostbolt, start the pull with FFB, which will still snare them, and just nuke the hell out of them with frostbolt, probably getting another frostbite.

Does the elemental gather these stats (namely haste) in real time, or only when summoned? Because I'm imagining one that was summoned during Icy Veins/Haste potion would be quite a bit stronger if the latter is true.

This seems like a laughable question, but I'll ask anyway. Have you had him run out of mana? He can cast 150+ bolts for me without running out, which is nearly 6 minutes. It doesn't make any difference--I'm just curious.

I'm not sure on that, Idiggory. I'll see if I can pour through the logs to see his misses, but I dunno if that's possible. I don't notice MANY hits from him, if any.

No, Puddles has never run out of mana.

[quote=idiggory]But, to be fair, it doesn't say that it has to be a spell crit to give the caster their 3% buff. [quote]

Increases the target's chance to critically hit with spells by 3%. When the target critically hits the caster's chance to critically hit with spells is increased.

Tbh, it does says that the target needs to crit with spells, or am I getting it all wrong?

In our guild, we rotate this Focus Magic between mages, unless I am the only mage (usually am) and then I put it on the caster with the highest critrate.

Edited, Jan 20th 2010 10:13am by noalala

I believe Rogues can crit with poisons, which are considered spells, so that's probably why it works on them. Unless you can cast it on a Warrior and still get the buff, I'm dubious to believe that it procs on any crit.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2010 6:53pm by Norellicus