Hej there,
I keep getting told by friends that DK's aint that good tanks cuz they take too much dmg due to lower armor that other classes (cant see it myself) and some dmg reduc talents.
I'm just wondering if this is true? does DK's have lower armor than other classes (tanking wise ofc), and do they take more dmg?
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I'm just wondering if this is true?
No, not really. All tanks are pretty much on par currently. That said, DKs and Warriors might be a little weaker a little more often than the other classes. On the other hand, people who claim this always seem to overlook what Unholy DKs can do on fights like Deathwhisper, Yogg-Saron and Putricide. Or how useful Chains of Ice is on Ignis the Furnace Master. If you want to min/max, you should consider these things as well.
Paladins are top dog in tanking because they can block. Block is also the reason you're hearing why DKs are less than popular. It isn't so much the armor DKs get from the equipment, it's that paladins and warriors get to have an entire extra piece of gear with armor on it, and they can block things. Paladins also use the least number of physical attacks, and so don't have to worry about parry haste at all.
I'd give you my opinionated order of tanks, but that'd turn the thread into a flame-fest of how I'm wrong and how whatever tanking class is just as good, etc.
I'd give you my opinionated order of tanks, but that'd turn the thread into a flame-fest of how I'm wrong and how whatever tanking class is just as good, etc.
thanks for the responds :)
I know the blocking and shield does alot, but I was discussing this with my friends and I even tried to compare to a druid cuz they cant block either, and then they started talking about the 12% less dmg in a full party talent etc.
I'm all new to this DK tanking (just started lvl'ing, at 71 atm), and it seems interesting cuz it not like the other tanking classes, imo.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
I know the blocking and shield does alot, but I was discussing this with my friends and I even tried to compare to a druid cuz they cant block either, and then they started talking about the 12% less dmg in a full party talent etc.
I'm all new to this DK tanking (just started lvl'ing, at 71 atm), and it seems interesting cuz it not like the other tanking classes, imo.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
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I know the blocking and shield does alot, but I was discussing this with my friends and I even tried to compare to a druid cuz they cant block either, and then they started talking about the 12% less dmg in a full party talent etc.
These discussions are best not to start at all, because you'll end up defining the whole class in the process. Your friend mentions blocking/shield, you mention extra dodge. Your friend mentions less damage taken, you mention a different talent. What it all boils down to is that in the end, no tank is so severely underpowered that they simply cannot compete anymore in end-game content, and every existing tank is specifically good in at least one encounter (except maybe warriors >.>).
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I'm all new to this DK tanking (just started lvl'ing, at 71 atm), and it seems interesting cuz it not like the other tanking classes, imo.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
This might be caused by a large amount of things, though. You might have a bad spec. You might not be wearing enough/any tanking gear. You might simply be doing it wrong. Don't make the mistake of judging the performance of an entire class if you aren't completely sure you are playing it to the optimal level.
sensen wrote:
thanks for the responds :)
I know the blocking and shield does alot, but I was discussing this with my friends and I even tried to compare to a druid cuz they cant block either, and then they started talking about the 12% less dmg in a full party talent etc.
I'm all new to this DK tanking (just started lvl'ing, at 71 atm), and it seems interesting cuz it not like the other tanking classes, imo.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
I know the blocking and shield does alot, but I was discussing this with my friends and I even tried to compare to a druid cuz they cant block either, and then they started talking about the 12% less dmg in a full party talent etc.
I'm all new to this DK tanking (just started lvl'ing, at 71 atm), and it seems interesting cuz it not like the other tanking classes, imo.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
What talent is that?
I think your friends need to read some patch notes from a few months ago.
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idiggory wrote:
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edit: I hit post and the server doubled it....
Edited, Jan 16th 2010 1:15am by Horsemouth
Edited, Jan 16th 2010 1:15am by Horsemouth
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idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
Horsemouth wrote:
sensen wrote:
thanks for the responds :)
I know the blocking and shield does alot, but I was discussing this with my friends and I even tried to compare to a druid cuz they cant block either, and then they started talking about the 12% less dmg in a full party talent etc.
I'm all new to this DK tanking (just started lvl'ing, at 71 atm), and it seems interesting cuz it not like the other tanking classes, imo.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
I know the blocking and shield does alot, but I was discussing this with my friends and I even tried to compare to a druid cuz they cant block either, and then they started talking about the 12% less dmg in a full party talent etc.
I'm all new to this DK tanking (just started lvl'ing, at 71 atm), and it seems interesting cuz it not like the other tanking classes, imo.
maybe it's just because of my "low" lvl it feels like I'm almost getting killed on almost every pull and stress to use CD's to avoid wipes.
What talent is that?
I think your friends need to read some patch notes from a few months ago.
Protector of the Pack, Horse. He's talking about Druid tanks. Protector of the Pack reduces damage taken by 12% while in Bear/Dire Bear form.
While Druids lack Block and Parry, they do have a lot of Dodge (40% unbuffed myself) and every time they crit, they absorb a fair amount of damage on the next hit taken. One might compare that to the Sacred Shield effect of Paladins. They get Dodge, Block, Parry and absorption every few seconds. Combined with a number of life-savers, an improved Barkskin on a 2-minute cooldown and their own sort of Imp. Leader of the Pack (if they Judge Light), some pretty hefty aggro tools and it's probably why they're the most popular tanking class out there.
Edited, Jan 18th 2010 8:37pm by Mazra
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Mazra wrote:
Horsemouth wrote:
What talent is that?
I think your friends need to read some patch notes from a few months ago.
I think your friends need to read some patch notes from a few months ago.
Protector of the Pack, Horse. He's talking about Druid tanks. Protector of the Pack reduces damage taken by 12% while in Bear/Dire Bear form.
I'm pretty sure Horsemouth knew exactly what the poster was talking about, but the group requirement for Protector of the Pack was removed in "some patch notes from a few months ago." (Looked up the exact patch - it was 3.0.8).
Yes, that's the talent I was talking about :)
Now I'm just wondering what it is that makes DK able to compare tanking-wise against warriors and paladins got this block-thing going around, and druids got their insane dodge + armor + that absorb effect?
Now I'm just wondering what it is that makes DK able to compare tanking-wise against warriors and paladins got this block-thing going around, and druids got their insane dodge + armor + that absorb effect?
The fact that Death Knights don't have block or high dodge is mostly 'countered' by this.
tabstopper wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Horsemouth wrote:
What talent is that?
I think your friends need to read some patch notes from a few months ago.
I think your friends need to read some patch notes from a few months ago.
Protector of the Pack, Horse. He's talking about Druid tanks. Protector of the Pack reduces damage taken by 12% while in Bear/Dire Bear form.
I'm pretty sure Horsemouth knew exactly what the poster was talking about, but the group requirement for Protector of the Pack was removed in "some patch notes from a few months ago." (Looked up the exact patch - it was 3.0.8).
Yup.
The group requirement was the lamest thing in the world. I would group for no reason, with people I wasn't even near just for the buff.
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idiggory wrote:
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Short answer:
When you reach the right amount of gear/health/etc... for the job, the real difference boil down to your skills and experience with the dungeon/raid you're doing.
Beside specific role in raid environnement, a DK tank, in my opinion, can bring 3 things to the table:
DPS: Right now, I'm averaging 2.5-3k dps on a full clear heroic dungeon.
Spell interupt: we have 3 ways of stopping a caster
CC: Frost tank have 2, the other branch have one.
When you reach the right amount of gear/health/etc... for the job, the real difference boil down to your skills and experience with the dungeon/raid you're doing.
Beside specific role in raid environnement, a DK tank, in my opinion, can bring 3 things to the table:
DPS: Right now, I'm averaging 2.5-3k dps on a full clear heroic dungeon.
Spell interupt: we have 3 ways of stopping a caster
CC: Frost tank have 2, the other branch have one.
tabstopper wrote:
I'm pretty sure Horsemouth knew exactly what the poster was talking about, but the group requirement for Protector of the Pack was removed in "some patch notes from a few months ago." (Looked up the exact patch - it was 3.0.8).
Aye, he just sounded like he'd never heard of the talent before. Considering he's one of the locals over on the Druid forum, I figured it was my duty to rub it in his face.
Of course, it backfired. Edited, Jan 19th 2010 5:38pm by Mazra
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CC: Frost tank have 2, the other branch have one.
Wait, I have CC? Do you mean Chains of Ice?
Mazra wrote:
tabstopper wrote:
I'm pretty sure Horsemouth knew exactly what the poster was talking about, but the group requirement for Protector of the Pack was removed in "some patch notes from a few months ago." (Looked up the exact patch - it was 3.0.8).
Aye, he just sounded like he'd never heard of the talent before. Considering he's one of the locals over on the Druid forum, I figured it was my duty to rub it in his face.
Of course, it backfiredMaz you do know I wrote the current druid sticky, right?
As for the OP's question, most DKs honestly suck because they don't know what they are doing. They don't know how to cycle CDs properly, spec or gear.
As someone said, DK is one of the most played classes as of know so if you can;t give it 120% then stop trying.
Most give it 90% at best...
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idiggory wrote:
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Horsemouth wrote:
As someone said, DK is one of the most played classes as of know so if you can;t give it 120% then stop trying.
Wasn't that Dilbrt?
Horsemouth wrote:
Maz you do know I wrote the current druid sticky, right?
I thought it was written by a bunch of guys and added under the DruidSock username?
But yeah, I thought you were wondering if the 12% damage reduction was a DK talent. That's why I wrote "He's talking about Druid tanks" ... That's the story I'm going with, anyway.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
tabstopper wrote:
Horsemouth wrote:
As someone said, DK is one of the most played classes as of know so if you can;t give it 120% then stop trying.
Wasn't that Dilbrt?
That sounds right.
Also my DK hit 80. Did a few heroics so far. Pretty happy with the DPS, it dropped a bit from the reg -> heroic shift. I think because stuff dies to fast tbh. Still around 2k DPS so I can't complain.
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idiggory wrote:
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Wait, I have CC? Do you mean Chains of Ice?
I have to admit that Chains of Ice is a pretty weak CC but frost tank do have Hungering cold that can bring you out of a dire situation quite nicely (if you have 40 RP to spare).
Do frost tanks that raid actually take that?
Seems like a heroic tank talent IMO.
Seems like a heroic tank talent IMO.
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idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
During my time as a Frost tank, I never once used Hungering Cold as a lifesaver. It was that odd spell you cast when spamming Howling Blast became tedious.
It's an awesome PvP talent, though.
It's an awesome PvP talent, though.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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