Hey remember me. I am the guy that asked about the shadow spec about a little over a week ago. Yea I am back, this time have some questions about Disc pve healing.
See I titled this thread Priest Can Heal? because I had this revelation when I was forced to take the healers place when she took the tanks place during a H PoS. The part that shocked me the most, I was able to keep the group alive the rest of the instance (ramp to cave, the cave, and the final boss.) in my dps gear, with a spec I made for PvP. I just thought of how good I could heal if I had healing gear, glyphs, and a more pve disc spec.
I got the glyphs, the 30 second wait in between randoms helps in getting the healing gear, and now all I need is a good pve disc spec. Anyone willing to lend a hand to a fellow priest?
Side Note: I have read up on disc and I know what there strengths and weakness are. I have tried holy before but I like how disc feels better.
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This would be a possibility.
I've just taken it from EJ and I'm not familiar enough with endgame mechanics to comment much right now. Also not that there is one point that you can pretty much spend wherever.
I've just taken it from EJ and I'm not familiar enough with endgame mechanics to comment much right now. Also not that there is one point that you can pretty much spend wherever.
To add to Kalivha's post, there really are only 4 specs that work, and they're all pretty much the same;
Disc Cookie cutter 1 - The basic spec. 45% of the PvEing disc priests will use this.
Disc Cookie cutter 2 - The basic spec with Divine Fury, the other 45% of the PvEing disc priests will use this.
Disc Cookie cutter 1+Mass Dispel - Exactly the same as cookie cutter 1, except that it takes the glyph of Mass Dispel over the glyph of Flash Heal and allows for very quick and cheap mass dispelling. It's a bit more of a niche spec, but it's better than the cookie cutter for fights like Yogg-Saron, Hodir and (especially) Faction Champions. 5% of the PvEing disc priests will be using this.
Disc Cookie cutter 2+Mass Dispel - And the Divine Fury version of the previous spec. You'll find the last 5% of the PvEing disc priest population to have this one.
You can swap around individual points like Desperate Prayer and yada yada, but that really would be stretching it even for a min/maxer. Nobody respecs out of Desperate Prayer for one point of (for example) Spell Warding because it's better for just a single encounter.
All in all, PvE disc specs are incredibly straight-forward because they simply grab ALL non-PvP disc talents there are and boom, that's it.
Disc Cookie cutter 1 - The basic spec. 45% of the PvEing disc priests will use this.
Disc Cookie cutter 2 - The basic spec with Divine Fury, the other 45% of the PvEing disc priests will use this.
Disc Cookie cutter 1+Mass Dispel - Exactly the same as cookie cutter 1, except that it takes the glyph of Mass Dispel over the glyph of Flash Heal and allows for very quick and cheap mass dispelling. It's a bit more of a niche spec, but it's better than the cookie cutter for fights like Yogg-Saron, Hodir and (especially) Faction Champions. 5% of the PvEing disc priests will be using this.
Disc Cookie cutter 2+Mass Dispel - And the Divine Fury version of the previous spec. You'll find the last 5% of the PvEing disc priest population to have this one.
You can swap around individual points like Desperate Prayer and yada yada, but that really would be stretching it even for a min/maxer. Nobody respecs out of Desperate Prayer for one point of (for example) Spell Warding because it's better for just a single encounter.
All in all, PvE disc specs are incredibly straight-forward because they simply grab ALL non-PvP disc talents there are and boom, that's it.
The ramp up the the cave is a good test of how you are doing. Congratulations. Expect herioc HoR to be another place that will test you.
I'm pretty cookie cutter in my build. Welcome to discipline. Sounds like you are doing great.
I'm pretty cookie cutter in my build. Welcome to discipline. Sounds like you are doing great.
Welcome to healing. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Moz gave you a great answer.
On a side note:
I'd never really thought about this much because I always used Holy for PVE, but when I went to put together a Disc PVE build maybe a month ago I was shocked by how few choices and compromises you need to make. There are a lot of PVP talents in the Disc tree. Once you eliminate those you've got all the points you need and all the talents are solid. I'm continually impressed by how good a job Blizz did with the Disc tree.
Moz gave you a great answer.
On a side note:
Mozared wrote:
All in all, PvE disc specs are incredibly straight-forward because they simply grab ALL non-PvP disc talents there are and boom, that's it.
I'd never really thought about this much because I always used Holy for PVE, but when I went to put together a Disc PVE build maybe a month ago I was shocked by how few choices and compromises you need to make. There are a lot of PVP talents in the Disc tree. Once you eliminate those you've got all the points you need and all the talents are solid. I'm continually impressed by how good a job Blizz did with the Disc tree.
Cut out Cookie Cutter #2, divine fury is a waste for anything but loldps as a disc priest.
I mean... if you're casting Greater Heal there's probably something very wrong.
Edited, Jan 11th 2010 7:24pm by Aethien
I mean... if you're casting Greater Heal there's probably something very wrong.
Edited, Jan 11th 2010 7:24pm by Aethien
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Cut out Cookie Cutter #2, divine fury is a waste for anything but loldps as a disc priest.
I mean... if you're casting Greater Heal there's probably something very wrong.
I mean... if you're casting Greater Heal there's probably something very wrong.
Not necessarily - the Divine Fury tree is a little bit better at tank healing because especially with Borrowed Time and some additional passive haste from gear, Greater Heal will be better at keeping a tank up than two Flash Heals (you'll have to throw once Penance is on CD). Gheal is never really 'worth it', but especially if you're going without paladin healers into encounters with heavy tank damage (Algalon, but more precisely Vezax before TotC came out), you'll find actually having it available will make your life a lot easier.
If you are tank healing and you have no paladin then Gheal will outperform Flash heal on very hard hitting bosses.
I'm sorry, but that's a lot of conditionals that must be met before those 5 talent points become worth it.
Edit: I'm not saying they can't be worth it, but I think that there can't be enough priests who are in this situation often enough to need this spec that you can call it cookie cutter.
Edited, Jan 11th 2010 11:30pm by Aethien
I'm sorry, but that's a lot of conditionals that must be met before those 5 talent points become worth it.
Edit: I'm not saying they can't be worth it, but I think that there can't be enough priests who are in this situation often enough to need this spec that you can call it cookie cutter.
Edited, Jan 11th 2010 11:30pm by Aethien
Being a MT healer as disc really isn't a very uncommon situation, though. Besides, your other option is improved Renew which is a very situational and preference-relying talent and casttime reduction which also only has use on a limited number of bosses. The points really are interchangeable. Or at least interchangeable enough to be mentioned.
Healing Focus however, is something I consider to be pretty good.
As there are a lot more bosses where there's random damage flying around that can push back your casts.
And I'd say a stronger renew, which is still a pretty decent HoT is preferable to a .5 faster cast time on a spell you really won't use more than once in a blue moon.
As there are a lot more bosses where there's random damage flying around that can push back your casts.
And I'd say a stronger renew, which is still a pretty decent HoT is preferable to a .5 faster cast time on a spell you really won't use more than once in a blue moon.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Healing Focus however, is something I consider to be pretty good.
As there are a lot more bosses where there's random damage flying around that can push back your casts.
And I'd say a stronger renew, which is still a pretty decent HoT is preferable to a .5 faster cast time on a spell you really won't use more than once in a blue moon.
As there are a lot more bosses where there's random damage flying around that can push back your casts.
And I'd say a stronger renew, which is still a pretty decent HoT is preferable to a .5 faster cast time on a spell you really won't use more than once in a blue moon.
Catch up to me so that I don't have to use GHeal on you all the time!
I've almost caught up to you, or well.. going to ding 31 tonight at least.
If the weather forecast can be trusted, I might have Wednesday off, and I don't have exams that day anyway. So maybe we can play more tomorrow night or Wednesday! Healing you is great fun :3
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If you're leveling a priest, always put 3 points into spirit tap in the shadow tree. Your going to solo at some point and the talent makes a huge difference in downtime for mana replenishment.
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