New Tank Warrior Gearing, no PvP?Follow

First off, I am enjoying my warrior, and enjoy both PvP and raids.

Getting a decent full set of gear for both takes time and effort of course, but can some one explain why a partial set of PvP gear, or even all PvP gear is met with such antimosity when you try to get PUG for 5 mans etc.

I have compared begining 213ish rating PvP gear to questable blue/greens/auction 175ish rating gear and don't get why it feels like showing up with that gear with far lower overall stats would be met with more aproval.

I am currently arround 50/50 now in PvP and 5 man heroic/emblem gear, slowly replacing PvP with with dungon gear.

Thanks for the input.

So, let me make sure I got this right.

Boiled down, Def stat is FAR more important to get maxed then any AC/HP/STR etc. (I know resliance is crap for tanking)

So this is far better for tanking do to the 43 Def
http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=43847

Even though the AC is 449 higher, 35 more STR, 51 more STA, and a blue socket with this
http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=40804

-EX EQ player, and in EQ world, AC is king, so WoW has Def as the #1 stat for tanking?

Getting crit immune (whether through Resilience or more commonly through Defense) is considered baseline. If you can be crit by a mob in a heroic or raid, don't tank that heroic or raid.

Once you are crit immune, you want as much HP and Armor as you can possibly get to maximize your Effective Health. If you're getting these on PVE tanking gear, you'll usually end up with enough Avoidance (Dodge / Parry / Miss) to not be a massive pain for your healers to keep up. If you're getting them on PVP gear, you tend to be shy on Avoidance, and are harder to keep up.


If you're talking about your current gear, you're getting animosity because you've got low HP compared with the 'average' tank (who is overgeared at this point). You've also got low avoidance, and many of your pieces are DPS pieces.

In other words, people see your HP at only 26k, then inspect you and see that it looks like you just threw together a set of "whatever I have" to tank. You've got non-ideal enchants, and again many of them are DPS enchants. You're gemming for Avoidance/Defense rather than Stamina. Deserved or not, many people probably assume you don't really know what you're doing as a tank. And a LOT of people unfairly expect to be carried by their tanks in heroics and raids.

That being said, I'm don't usually bail for heroics, but if I came in as a DPS and looked at your gear I'd be ... worried to say the least.

You could pretty easily turn your character into a good tank for heroics. But you need to upgrade some gear pieces, fix enchants and gemming, and of course practice.

Hope this didn't come across as too harsh. Enjoy tanking, and good luck moving forward. :)

I found this thread massively helpful when it came to getting crit immune at level 80.

I know it's on the oboards and is aimed at DKs, but it's good for warriors, too.

The bulk of the items can be either quested or bought cheaply off the AH. If you kitted yourself out entirely in items listed in the thread you'd be a bit short on hit points, but chuck in a few emblem items, enchants and stamina gems and you should be okay.

There's also a sticky on the EU tanking oboards, which lists pre-raid tanking plate, trinkets and weapons.

Please excuse the bumping of an older post....

When some one says "Defence capped at 540"

What number is that?
When you first look at your stats, you see

Armor XXX
Defence XXX
Dodge XXX
Parry XXX
Block XXX
Resilance XXX

Then if you hover your mouse over the Defence number, you see Defence Rateing YYY -

which number is it?

Thanks

Edited, Mar 9th 2010 1:38pm by Vileblade

I'm going to hijack this a bit...

Heroics have been done in Level 70 gear.

I used to do my daily Heroics back when heroics where not as ridiculously nerfed as they are now with PvP guildmates in PvP gear and spec and completed our runs regularily without wipes. It was long ago and most of us couldn't afford dual spec since PvP yields very little gold.

Now I leveled my warrior to 80 and que with stronger PvP gear combined with stronger tank items than what was available back then and run into weaker heavily nerfed heroics and I get told I need to be DEF CAPPED for heroics... Shut up! When they don't notice the runs go smooth!

You could argue because we had, probably, 3 of the top 10 healers of our server and 3 of the top 10 tanks. But they where geared in THIS and THIS! and spec into a PvP spec. If you can't outheal that in today's PvE ilvl 240+ healing gear with a PvE healing spec you just suck.



Edited, May 11th 2010 3:31pm by xorq

The less geared healers usually wouldn't even notice. The ones that would usually complain would be decked almost completely in raid drops.

I have no doubt that my guildies play way better. But there's a MONUMENTAL gap in the level of challenge if you take into account:
- The nerfing of the content.
- The spec (pve vs pvp).
- The new imba gear.

I've healed plenty enough to know what healing is like, too.

The only real problem I sometimes have with pugs is that I randomly get or not get people who pull too many adds.



If you meant you can get def capped in 120 minutes without doing any heroic I totally want to know.

I had a number of tanking items when reaching 80 and filled up the remaining slots with PvP gear. It didn't get me avoidance but did get HP and crit immunity.


Edited, May 11th 2010 11:44pm by xorq

Edited, May 12th 2010 12:26am by xorq

Good list. Rate up.

I think the Relentless Gladiators bracers will help towards crit immunity more than the ones you listed because those have about 50 resil vs 27 def. They dont have the avoidance but have a lot more armor and stamina. The same happens with other slots.

For Neck theres a BoE called burning skull pendant. The PvP could be better like what happens with the bracers but that item should be easy to get from the AH. You forgot to list that one.

I've come across tanks that are hard to heal, but they weren't the ones mix-matching tank gear with PvP gear, they where mix-matching tank gear with PvE DPS gear.

Edited, May 12th 2010 11:28pm by xorq

The good reason: If you are 3-5 slots short of filling all slots the PvP gear is overloaded with stamina and resil which do help. If you already happen to do PvP you most likely have the Honor (if not the actual items) so you can put it in and get yourself grabbing badges already rather than waiting for drops.

I will say I queued as DPS for a number runs today just for the heck of it... I did notice that most PuG tanks were terrible. Here's why:

1- Only 4 slots of tanking gear and the rest was pve DPS gear. He pulls, he dies, healer ragequits, game over, that was fast.

2- Low quality tanking gear with a few slots of pve DPS gear. It was ok but he was pulling 2 or more groups at a time without popping any cooldowns and so on. We actually completed that run but with much whining from everyone. We wiped once but it was only because of him idiotically pulling 4 groups, otherwise he was healable. He sucked tho, I was constantly using bladestorm by the healer to pick whole packs of mobs off the healer and bring them to the tank, and the healer kept calling me noob because of it.

3- The only tanking items were a crafted shield and bracer. The rest was a mix of pve dps and pve healing gear. He pulled a huge pack of mobs and the healer couldn't keep up. The healer died too fast too so he was already dead by the time I got into emergency tank mode.

So what I'm getting at is, what I advice is to fill ALL slots with something "tanky", but fill all of them. Mainly defense items, but when you have just a few slots left to fill, put at least PvP gear on them.


Edited, May 14th 2010 12:03pm by xorq