I am currently using http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49497, which im not really thrilled about. The stamina is nice, and agi gives boost to avoidance(right?) and the expertise is always welcome, but the fact that it does not have any +str on it, and it has very low max-dmg, makes me kinda want to switch it out. I reckon more strenght + higher damage = higher crits, rune strikes = more threat. (right?) Sooo, what i am currently aiming for is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50798, which seems like a really good itemized tanking weapon for a blood DK. My guild does weekly ICC10 raids so i am sure i`ll get a shot at it one day or another..:) I am also next in line to get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50415 when it drops again, but would u consider this a better or worse tanking weapon than the Ramaladni-axe? It is obviously lacking additional stats, but would the increase in str and dmg make up for that?
I also got so lucky i got the battered hilt drop for me in heroic Halls of Reflection last night.. Yay me;) First time tanking it as well btw.. Trigger happy 5k dps melee who dont wanna attack casters first are a pain, im telling ya..>.< Anyways, i put it up for sale, but if it does not sell, i could always get one of the Quel`Delars. I reckon they would be better than the one i am currently using?
Any ideas/advice?
Thanx in advance!
Cyanice, Doomhammer
Edited for the right link..;)
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 3:37pm by Azena
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You linked the Rem axe twice.
IDrownFish wrote:
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lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
One of my guild's MTs is a DK and he has Bryntroll...the lifesteal makes up damn near 5% of his healing received. Combine that with a 30 dps increase over Ramaladni and I'd say it's a clear winner (no real stamina loss either, still has two sockets).
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 4:02pm by Norellicus
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 4:02pm by Norellicus
That depends. Is that 5% healing just producing 5% more over-healing? I'd LOVE that in a 5-man, but I'm not certain it would be useful in 10/25 mans, when most heals cause massive amounts of over-healing as it is.
That's the reason tanks don't generally use the life stealing enchants. It just doesn't do anything in the end (even though it looks like it is).
That's the reason tanks don't generally use the life stealing enchants. It just doesn't do anything in the end (even though it looks like it is).
IDrownFish wrote:
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lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
The way I see it, overhealing will happen with or without your input. But if that one passive non-reactionary heal saves your life in a pinch...
I'd not use a lifestealing enchant, because it's only really useful in that "one in a million" period and I'd rather have something that works all the time there. But for a passive effect on a weapon that's already statistically ahead, it's not a hard choice.
I'd not use a lifestealing enchant, because it's only really useful in that "one in a million" period and I'd rather have something that works all the time there. But for a passive effect on a weapon that's already statistically ahead, it's not a hard choice.
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The way I see it, overhealing will happen with or without your input. But if that one passive non-reactionary heal saves your life in a pinch...
I'd not use a lifestealing enchant, because it's only really useful in that "one in a million" period and I'd rather have something that works all the time there. But for a passive effect on a weapon that's already statistically ahead, it's not a hard choice.
I'd not use a lifestealing enchant, because it's only really useful in that "one in a million" period and I'd rather have something that works all the time there. But for a passive effect on a weapon that's already statistically ahead, it's not a hard choice.
Bryn still only has a chance on hit.
Furthermore, I doubt the effect procs on Rune Strikes.
And, if it is a non-DK progression tank, he'll use Blood Draining anyway.
If you have the wep, great. But I wouldn't use that "one-in-a-million" situation that Brynn offers as a reason to keep it. It's an awesome weapon, but the heal uses a LOT of itemization points. If you get something better, use it. But I'm not convinced that it is superior to other ilvl 277 2-handers due to the heal.
[EDIT]
It appears to have a low Proc Chance as well.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good weapon. But unless your tank has capped Expertise and Hit, the increaed threat (about 80 TpS) from the proc just isn't worth losing the threat stats on other weapons.
And with a rather low proc chance (9-13%, or about 1-2 PPM), its chances of saving you are VERY slim.
Edited, Dec 23rd 2009 10:18am by idiggory
IDrownFish wrote:
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lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Just what exactly are we trying to argue here, that there's some weapon somewhere that's better? No duh.
That's not what the OP asked.
He's comparing these three weapons:
http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=50798;50415;49497
And between the three, Bryntroll is a clear winner in threat output. Higher strength, higher base and top end, and while it may be missing the expertise which is arguably a punch to your mitigation, it's not a deal breaker. I tend to get more concerned over those fast approaching DPS on my meter who have better weapons than I do than being parrygibbed, and if DW frost can tank without spontaneously exploding then I'm pretty sure missing 11 expertise isn't any more likely to get a 2h killed. Until we see something dual wielding again that can cause 3+ hits in the span of a second it's not really a heavy concern.
The lifedrain is just a boon on top of all that.
I'm not trying to pull some Kungen ******** saying that this is the end all be all of tanking weapons, just making the comparison based on what the OP gave us to work with.
Edited, Dec 23rd 2009 11:31am by Norellicus
That's not what the OP asked.
He's comparing these three weapons:
http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=50798;50415;49497
And between the three, Bryntroll is a clear winner in threat output. Higher strength, higher base and top end, and while it may be missing the expertise which is arguably a punch to your mitigation, it's not a deal breaker. I tend to get more concerned over those fast approaching DPS on my meter who have better weapons than I do than being parrygibbed, and if DW frost can tank without spontaneously exploding then I'm pretty sure missing 11 expertise isn't any more likely to get a 2h killed. Until we see something dual wielding again that can cause 3+ hits in the span of a second it's not really a heavy concern.
The lifedrain is just a boon on top of all that.
I'm not trying to pull some Kungen ******** saying that this is the end all be all of tanking weapons, just making the comparison based on what the OP gave us to work with.
Edited, Dec 23rd 2009 11:31am by Norellicus
I'm not sure I'd go with the Brynn over the Rem. It depends on the spec, really.
It is 65 less damage for strikes, but the loss of Expertise (assuming that you are below dodge soft cap would suck. And ArP, especially for Blood, isn't BAD by any means.
Unholy: EP-wise, they are actually very close. I'm not sure which I'd pick--it would depend on my other stats.
EP points (from EJ, assumed ilvl 264numbers):
Brynn-512.07(strength)+2186.674(DpS)+99.994(Weapon Speed)
=2798.738
Rem-448.44(strength)+226.59(ArP)+175.63(Expertise)+102.935(Speed)+1983.366(DpS)
=2936.961
Now, both of these are missing something. I did not include the 40 DpS from the proc on Brynn, because I don't know the EP value of it (since it is not a factor of strike damage, its EP level is lower than normal). Rem's is also expected to increase, as Expertise is more useful to a tank than to a DpS (at least twice as effective, when under the soft cap).
But, all things I can evaluate, considered... I'd maybe go with the Rem for Unholy. That proc uses WAY too many itemization points.
And, even if it is superior (and I kinda doubt it is, because it is only up 150 EP points if we evaluate the proc at NORMAL DpS EP), it will be marginally so. At that point, pick whichever you think is prettier.
That's my point. The proc rate is too low to consider it even remotely likely that it will ever save your life in the span until you replace it (hopefully next wing released). And you may actually lose EP points, despite it being a higher ilvl (why GS can't be taken as God).
It isn't a bad weapon. And I can't fault you for taking it. But I don't think it is superior. At best, it is equal. At worst, it's under.
Now, this is in case of Unholy. I don't really feel like doing the EP values for the other two specs (and they are sure to make a difference). I can't say if this is the case for ALL the trees.
But I don't expect there to be a "clear winner" in any case. Don't stress yourself out if you can't grab a Brynn.
[EDIT]
And, if you are Blood, the proc's heal is less impressive due to the presence of Will of the Necropolis. It becomes less likely to save your life, as a result, as in the other trees.
[EDIT2]
Just to clarify a point. With this discussion, we are assuming that the proc actually causes threat. If it doesn't, then the Rem is a clear winner. If it does, they are competitive.
And I just thought of a pro for the Brynn. If you gain threat from both the damage to the mob AND the heal, this could win out.
I don't know if it does, though, no news on WoWHead.
I'd take the Brynn if given the chance. I wouldn't use all my DKP on it. It would be a "I can get it easy" item, or I'd stick with the Rem.
But, if you PvP (ever) you may want to go with the Brynn earlier.
Edited, Dec 23rd 2009 12:45pm by idiggory
It is 65 less damage for strikes, but the loss of Expertise (assuming that you are below dodge soft cap would suck. And ArP, especially for Blood, isn't BAD by any means.
Unholy: EP-wise, they are actually very close. I'm not sure which I'd pick--it would depend on my other stats.
EP points (from EJ, assumed ilvl 264numbers):
Brynn-512.07(strength)+2186.674(DpS)+99.994(Weapon Speed)
=2798.738
Rem-448.44(strength)+226.59(ArP)+175.63(Expertise)+102.935(Speed)+1983.366(DpS)
=2936.961
Now, both of these are missing something. I did not include the 40 DpS from the proc on Brynn, because I don't know the EP value of it (since it is not a factor of strike damage, its EP level is lower than normal). Rem's is also expected to increase, as Expertise is more useful to a tank than to a DpS (at least twice as effective, when under the soft cap).
But, all things I can evaluate, considered... I'd maybe go with the Rem for Unholy. That proc uses WAY too many itemization points.
And, even if it is superior (and I kinda doubt it is, because it is only up 150 EP points if we evaluate the proc at NORMAL DpS EP), it will be marginally so. At that point, pick whichever you think is prettier.
That's my point. The proc rate is too low to consider it even remotely likely that it will ever save your life in the span until you replace it (hopefully next wing released). And you may actually lose EP points, despite it being a higher ilvl (why GS can't be taken as God).
It isn't a bad weapon. And I can't fault you for taking it. But I don't think it is superior. At best, it is equal. At worst, it's under.
Now, this is in case of Unholy. I don't really feel like doing the EP values for the other two specs (and they are sure to make a difference). I can't say if this is the case for ALL the trees.
But I don't expect there to be a "clear winner" in any case. Don't stress yourself out if you can't grab a Brynn.
[EDIT]
And, if you are Blood, the proc's heal is less impressive due to the presence of Will of the Necropolis. It becomes less likely to save your life, as a result, as in the other trees.
[EDIT2]
Just to clarify a point. With this discussion, we are assuming that the proc actually causes threat. If it doesn't, then the Rem is a clear winner. If it does, they are competitive.
And I just thought of a pro for the Brynn. If you gain threat from both the damage to the mob AND the heal, this could win out.
I don't know if it does, though, no news on WoWHead.
I'd take the Brynn if given the chance. I wouldn't use all my DKP on it. It would be a "I can get it easy" item, or I'd stick with the Rem.
But, if you PvP (ever) you may want to go with the Brynn earlier.
Edited, Dec 23rd 2009 12:45pm by idiggory
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
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Thank you for all the feedback, really appreciate it! :) My current tanking spec is blood (54/5/12), link: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Cyanice
Havent really tried any other tanking specs tbh..>.< Really like the single target threat output, and the self heals are amazing especially in heroics..:)
Anyways, i reckon as u said Idiggory, both Bryn and Rem axe are pretty equal if u do some math on it. As u probly notice from the armory link, i am indeed under the softcap for expertise, so it in that case the Rem axe would be nice. Think i will spend my DKP on Bryn when it drops next time though..:) I guess now is the time to regret that i passed on it for a dps DK on our first ICC 25 man run, eh..:( Kinda got caught "off-guard" when it dropped.. Figured it was not that good.. /facepalm
Who knows, i might be stuck with my current weapon for another few months..:(
Merry Christmas to you all btw, and thanx again for replying to my post!;)
Cheers
Cyanice
Havent really tried any other tanking specs tbh..>.< Really like the single target threat output, and the self heals are amazing especially in heroics..:)
Anyways, i reckon as u said Idiggory, both Bryn and Rem axe are pretty equal if u do some math on it. As u probly notice from the armory link, i am indeed under the softcap for expertise, so it in that case the Rem axe would be nice. Think i will spend my DKP on Bryn when it drops next time though..:) I guess now is the time to regret that i passed on it for a dps DK on our first ICC 25 man run, eh..:( Kinda got caught "off-guard" when it dropped.. Figured it was not that good.. /facepalm
Who knows, i might be stuck with my current weapon for another few months..:(
Merry Christmas to you all btw, and thanx again for replying to my post!;)
Cheers
Cyanice
Np. And grats on having a chance on it in the first place, since I don't.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
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