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Starting out with BoA Daggers... which enchant(s)?Follow

#1 Dec 20 2009 at 8:13 PM Rating: Good
Hello all, I am going to be starting out a level one rogue with two Balanced Heartseekers and I was curious what I should be using as the daggers enchants.

With the daggers being BoA there are only a few enchants available for them...

Enchant Weapon - Superior Striking
Enchant Weapon - Crusader
Enchant Weapon - Lifestealing
Enchant Weapon - Fiery Weapon
Enchant Weapon - Icy Chill
Enchant Weapon - Agility
Enchant Weapon - Strength

I have almost always enchanted my low level melee dps characters with Crusader when I was able to get a good enough weapon that would last awhile, but I am not sure if I should do that with a rogue and that is why I am here asking. Smiley: wink

My first thought was the Agility enchant on both daggers, but then thought about Crusader (main) and Lifestealing (offhand). I have always leveled my rogues as Combat/Assassination, but I am not 100% sure if I will do that this time or not.

I am also picking up a Charmed Ancient Bone Bow to go along with the daggers...

He will not be a twink... I just want to have a little bit of fast leveling action... this will be my Goblin Rogue (I know I am starting to get gear earlier, but I am sure I am not the only one... Smiley: sly )

Opinions?



Edited, Dec 20th 2009 8:20pm by PentUpAnger
#2 Dec 20 2009 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Agility. Then Crusader when that becomes available, though it doesn't equal the AP gain from Agility until level 60.

I'm not sure I'd do Crusader x2 though.
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#3 Dec 21 2009 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
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Agility. Then Crusader when that becomes available...


I believe I can enchant the daggers at L.1 with Crusader, but I read that Crusader doesn't proc as much at low levels... but increases to about ~1ppm later on.

Would it be better if I did Crusader MH and Agility OH, or Agility x2... or another combination?

At what point does constant agility overtake the Crusader proc as a Rogue? Does it ever or is constant agility always better?

I know Crusader will heal small amounts too....

Thanks for the info/opinions.
#4 Dec 21 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Crusader won't activate until level 35, I believe, but you can still put it on a wep. And, even if it does, I'd go with 15 agility until the str bonus starts nearing the AP/crit bonus.

At level 60, you get 60 AP when Crusader procs, and a heal. Don't know how that scales.

But with the Agi, your damage and crit is gonna be massive for your level for a while.

You really just need to gauge what you want. Start with Agi. If you find yourself wanting the self-heal, go with Crusader.

Once you get to 60, go with Crusader anyway.
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#5 Dec 21 2009 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Crusader on both, 100str = 100ap proc, plus the self healing will keep you going all the way to 60+

At that point you can switch to 15agi since crusader starts to lose effectiveness at 60+, but it's only a 30agi difference if you don't.


Daggers will be a pain to level with until you get mutilate though. Sinister strikes won't hit as hard as 2.7 speed sword main hand would. Backstab is annoying for soloing PVE mobs (so hard to get their back often enough to land constant backstabs). You can gouge backstab every so often but thats so much extra energy and time.
#6 Dec 24 2009 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Crusader til 50, then agility. Reason being, after you get mutilate mobs will die about 3 seconds after you cheap shot. If crusader does proc you wont get much benifit from it, since you'll be moving toward the next mob.

If you happen to have them, the boa maces are perfect for leveling as combat. 2.8 speed, sinister strike hits incredibly hard with one of those in the MH. Mut completely outstrips combat once you have access to it though.
#7 Dec 24 2009 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly if I were to level a dual-wielder again I'd go with lifestealing to about level 30 then crusader. While soloing the health back reduces downtime significantly. LS procs more often (for less effect) which is more a benefit earlier in the leveling process. After 30 you start to see enough agi that dodge starts to come into play and the greater benefits of crusader are evident.

And crusader does proc at any level. I have a level 10 rogue (just messing around one day) that has both heirloom swords and it procs consistently.
#8 Dec 25 2009 at 4:33 AM Rating: Good
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If you have the heirloom haste trinkets, they will pretty much keep you at full hp. If you've managed to grind out all the heirloom stuff, you'll barely take damage since your hp pool and damage is massively higher than the mobs you'll fight.
#9 Dec 27 2009 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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If you have the heirloom haste trinkets, they will pretty much keep you at full hp.

I assume you've tested this? Because 4% of your health, while nice, isn't going to take care of all the damage one takes while questing far as I recall. But it's been a month since I leveled my most recent melee (with both trinkets, which are a great investment), so maybe it's different now. =P
#10 Dec 27 2009 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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It may not be at full, but it could potentially be enough. Depends on how much Stam you have.
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#11 Dec 29 2009 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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Stam? While leveling? LoLz

=)

I'm not saying that the dual-trinket health back isn't great, but it's just not enough. Downtime is the enemy of efficient leveling. Every second spent eating or bandaging is zero XP/hour and I found that health-leech enchants really reduced the downtime.

Guess I could test it on that lowbie rogue. But time is an issue.



Oh, PentUP, I forgot to mention that you should also keep an eye out for the new fishing derby in Dal. The ring that you get if you win is a 5% XP bonus as well.
#12 Dec 30 2009 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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I did 15 agi on my rogue's daggers just 'cause it's good from 1-80 and I never had to re-enchant them :)
#13 Jan 01 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, PentUP, I forgot to mention that you should also keep an eye out for the new fishing derby in Dal. The ring that you get if you win is a 5% XP bonus as well.


Yeah, I saw that, but I work Saturdays til about 4pm CST (my server is one hour ahead) so I doubt I will ever get the ring.


I do have another question that sort of relates with something brought up earlier in this thread.

Would it be better (faster/cooler/whatever) if I did dual wield the heirloom PvE maces instead of daggers til I got Mutiliate? I would more than likely go Combat til I could try out Mutilate.

I have already purchased one PvE heirloom dagger, two PvE leather armour heirlooms, and the bow. I don't think I would have any problems picking up ther other dagger and two PvE heirloom maces and even the heirloom haste trinket but I don't want to go overboard and buy up EVERYTHING heirloom-wise if I don't ever actuallt use it... is there anything I shouldn't bother getting (even if I have the time to get the badges for it)?

Or should I just get one more dagger and start spending my badges on my L.80 DK's gear? (I personally think I would have more fun having good gear for my Goblin Rogue)

Opinions?
#14 Jan 02 2010 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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Well, Caty isn't going to be out for a while. So you likely have plenty of time to grind out the daggers as well as the weapons for Combat if you wanted to. Personally, I have all the leather, both swords (gogo Thrash Blade!), 4 trinkets and the bow already. So it's easy for me to suggest Combat Swords until 50+, then going Mutilate. But not everyone reading this has a huge stockpile of badgers. I don't know that I'd go Assassination all the way from level 1 unless you're really, really into PvP as the XP gains from early BGs is pretty crazy.

I'd only buy the maces if you thought you might also level up a Shaman (as Enhance).

And I know it's tempting to go +15 Agi and just be done with it. But I'm terribly neurotic about efficient XP/hour and the health-leech enchants are just too good for reducing downtime for me to pass by.

Oh, for the record, I'm also prepping for finally leveling a druid in the next xpac. All I'm missing is the ring and the PvP spell power shoulders (Feral/Resto dual spec, GO!).

Hope that helps but they're just opinions of course =)
#15 Jan 02 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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My DK has basically become my heirloom grinding toon.

I have every tanking item from Triumphs, sans the actual tier gear. But, for 2-hundred emblems, it is just a slight upgrade. I've decided that (since I don't raid), his triumphs are just gonna become BoA pieces. Those + Crusader's Seals, that is.

Plus, I'm leveling a BE Mage to establish a Horde bank account. :P

So far, I have:

Staff (+30 SP)
Cloth Shoulders
Cloth Chest (+4 Stats)
Two Mana regen trinkets

And I have enough for another piece, but I haven't decided what I want yet.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2010 7:21pm by idiggory
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#16 Jan 02 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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I'd only buy the maces if you thought you might also level up a Shaman (as Enhance).

And I know it's tempting to go +15 Agi and just be done with it. But I'm terribly neurotic about efficient XP/hour and the health-leech enchants are just too good for reducing downtime for me to pass by.


My Shaman is already L.80 so the maces won't benefit him (plus he is specced Elemental right now).

I will look at the swords as the combat option... I feel out of the loop because I have leveled two rogues to 70 as Combat... while usually DWing daggers... or a sword in the OH while a dagger rested in my MH...

I will probably end up experimenting with different enchants just to see what best suits me.... considering that it seems everyone has their own opinions on what is better.... and my L.80 Warlock is my enchanter so getting mats won't be difficult... i'll just have to go and gain some rep with the Timbermaw for the Agility enchant.

Edited in: I see two heirloom 1h swords... Battleworn Thrash Blade (PvP) and
Venerable Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge (PvE).... now I would be thinking the Thrash Blade because it has the chance of the second attack, but I am not sure which to get considering that neither one has GREAT stats...

Edited, Jan 2nd 2010 7:34pm by PentUpAnger
#17 Jan 02 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, you'd take at least one Thrash Blade, since the other is MH only.

I'd go Venerable MH, Thrash OH.

Venerable would offer larger SSs, and Thrash is faster (with the chance for second attacks).

[EDIT]

If you want to go Combat Maces, you can take two of these.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2010 9:30pm by idiggory
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