"Casual" gearing in 3.3Follow

Hi,

Unlike most of you, I don't know much about gearing. I usually go into an instance hoping I won't die and that the bosses die, and roll as they come.

Now that I am amassing emblems of triumph (and that I've spent 80 of them on gear that could have been upgraded in another manner) I decided to look at the theoretic loot we can get in the 3 new instances, their heroic counterparts, and the pure triumph emblem rewards. I might also add something from TotC or heroic TotC if it doesn't have a farmable option.

This thread is open to criticism and I'll include any and all suggestions into it, since I know that I don't know more than most anyone else. The pieces from regular will be included even if they have a heroic upgrade, since they're more easily farmable, and probably a waste to spend emblems on them when there are so many other pieces to get.

This is mostly faction free, but if there is a similar item but with different names, I'll include the Horde one, since I recognize it faster. If you want the alliance piece replace Koltira with Thassarian.

Tanking:

Head : Helm of the Crestfallen Challenger (TotC Heroic) < Koltira's Faceguard of Conquest (50 EoT, set bonuses apply) ~= Headplate of the Honorbound (75 EoT)
Neck : The Warlord's Depravity (TotC Heroic) < Fossilized Ammonite Choker (HoR Heroic)
Shoulders : Shoulderplates of Frozen Blood (PoS Heroic) < Koltira's Pauldrons of Conquest (30 EoT, set bonuses apply) < Shoulderguards of Enduring Order (45 EoT)
Back : Eerie Runeblade Polisher(HoR Normal)
Chest : Scourgelord's Frigid Chestplate (PoS Normal) < Icebound Bronze Cuirass (PoS Heroic) < Koltira's Battleplate of Conquest (50 EoT, set bonuses apply)
Wrists : Exeptionally, no drops or emblem rewards, so you could get the Saronite Swordbreakers made (4 Crusader Orbs, 8 Titansteel Bars, 20 Saronite Bars)
Hands : Mercy's Hold (TotC Normal) < Koltira's Handguards of Conquest (30 EoT, set bonuses apply)
Legs : Legplates of Frozen Granite (FoS Normal) < Koltira's Legguards of Conquest (50 EoT, set bonuses apply)
Feet : Sollerets of Suffering (FoS Normal) < Black Spire Sabatons (FoS Heroic)
Ring1 and Ring2 : Mark of the Relentless (TotC Heroic) or Clutch of Fortification (35 EoT) ... You can of course get a Jewelcrafter to make you a Titanium Earthguard Ring.
Trinket1 and Trinket2 : The Black Heart (TotC Normal) or Ick's Rotting Thumb (PoS Heroic) or Glyph of Indomitability (50 EoT, kinda bad for the price)
2H Weapon : Tyrannical Beheader (PoS Heroic, Best for Orcs) > Mourning Malice (HoR Normal) or Garfrost's Two-Ton Hammer (PoS Normal) or Orca-Hunter's Harpoon (Hor Heroic)
1H Weapon1 and 1H Weapon2 : Hate-Forged Cleaver (HoR Normal) or Black Icicle (HoR Heroic) or Lucky Old Sun (FoS Normal) or Ghoulslicer (HoR Normal) or Nighttime (FoS Heroic) or Rimefang's Claw (PoS Heroic) or Falric's Wrist-Chopper (HoR Heroic)
Sigil : Sigil of Insolence (25 EoT, best option) or Sigil of Virulence (25 EoT, only worth it if you have more than enough avoidance and you're in need of more threat generation)

DPS:

Head : Skeleton Lord's Cranium (PoS Normal) < Koltira's Helmet of Conquest (50 EoT, set bonuses apply) ~= Faceplate of Thunderous Rampage (75 EoT)
Neck : Painfully Sharp Choker (PoS Normal)
Shoulders : Pauldrons of the Devourer (FoS Heroic) < Koltira's Shoulderplates of Conquest (30 EoT, set bonuses apply) < Shoulderplates of Trembling Rage (45 EoT)
Back : Drape of the Undefeated (TotC Normal) < Tapestry of the Frozen Throne (HoR Normal)
Chest : Lost Reliquary Chestguard (FoS Normal) < Frost Wyrm Ribcage (PoS Heroic) < Koltira's Battleplate of Conquest (50 EoT, set bonuses apply)
Wrists : Malykriss Vambraces (PoS Heroic)
Hands : Weeping Gauntlets (FoS Heroic) < Koltira's Gauntlets of Conquest (30 EoT, set bonuses apply)
Legs : Minister's Number One Legplates (FoS Normal) < Koltira's Legplates of Conquest (50 EoT, set bonuses apply)
Feet : Plated Greaves of Providence (TotC Heroic) < Grinning Skull Boots (HoR Heroic)
Ring1 and Ring2 : The Lady's Promise (HoR Heroic) or Purloined Wedding Ring (PoS Normal) or Bloodshed Band (35 EoT) or Dexterous Brightstone Ring (35 EoT)... You can of course get a Jewelcrafter to make you a Titanium Impact Band (2 Titanium Bars, 4 Dragon's Eye, 4 Eternal Fire, 4 Eternal Shadow, 1 Frozen Orb) or buy the Band of the Kirin Tor with its upgrades or the Ring of the Kirin Tor with its upgrades for upwards of 7K gold.
Trinket1 and Trinket2 : Banner of Victory (TotC Normal) or Needle-Encrusted Scorpion (FoS Heroic) or Mark of Supremacy (50 EoT) or Shard of the Crystal Heart (50 EoT)
2H Weapon : Mourning Malice (HoR Normal) or Garfrost's Two-Ton Hammer (PoS Normal) or Tyrannical Beheader (PoS Heroic) or Orca-Hunter's Harpoon (Hor Heroic)
1H Weapon1 and 1H Weapon2 : Hate-Forged Cleaver (HoR Normal) or Black Icicle (HoR Heroic) or Liar's Tongue (HoR Heroic) or Ghoulslicer (HoR Normal) or Nighttime (FoS Heroic)
Sigil : Sigil of Virulence (25 EoT)

I'll need help if I missed anything, and especially on the weapons, I don't really know what difference there is in the 2 handers, or what 1 handers are stupid for a tank, or for DPS.

Edit1: The items from the chest in normal and heroic mode HoR are added. I'll wait until I get some more info on the weapons before editing. If one of you dual wielding DK tanks knows for example, from those items listed, which are horribly stupid and which are better, please post about it. The same for dual wielding DPS, if one of the items I listed is too stupid to use, please say so. I have practically 0 knowledge about dual wielding DKs. It is a lot easier for me to list them all and then delete the offending ones than list too few and search for the rest.

Edited, Dec 16th 2009 9:28am by danieldakkak

Edit2: Added the Ring of the Kirin Tor for the DPS set of rings, thanks EbanySalamonderiel

Edited, Dec 16th 2009 9:34am by danieldakkak

Edit3: Added all slow 1 handers to the tanking weapons. Cut out the Liar's Tongue from the same list. Added a mention that Tyrannical Beheader is best for orcs. Removed Lucky Old Sun, Rimefang's Claw, and Falric's Wrist-Chopper (tanking weapons) from the DPS list of 1 handers. Added a mention that the Sigil of Insolence if best for tanking, Sigil of Virulence good if the avoidance is good enough and need more threat generation.

Edited, Dec 17th 2009 9:48am by danieldakkak

In regards to dw. You can use a 2.6 MH and a 1.5-1.8 OH. I've noticed 0 dps loss by using a fast OH.

I DW 2 of them Nightimes (was using Tankards).
Love them.

Heroic version or reg version?

I find the fact that your DpS didn't change very surprising. Actually, I don't understand it at all. Your weapon's DpSes are the same. You should have seen a 250 loss on all your weapon portions of strikes.

The expertise is better than haste though. I would have expected at least a 100 DpS drop with that switch.

Though, you aren't using the Oblit glyph, so that makes the loss in weapon damage less harsh than I originally expected. Still bad though.

And you have the IT glyph. Is it possible the 20% additional FF damage boosted your DpS while you lost DpS from the weapon itself, so you didn't notice any change?

[EDIT]


Is that the priority list you are using?

Edited, Dec 15th 2009 4:07pm by idiggory

Maybe a faster weapon procs more BCB and Necrosis damage? And KM?

Don't really know what the PPM on those things are, but it sure is a lot of acronyms.

For items from the Captains Chest you are missing the Grinning Skull Boots and Black Icicle for DPS from Heroic. And the Neck for tanking from Heroic.
A bad one hand Sword I think from normal and a really nice DPS Cloak.

And there is a better Kirin Tor ring than the one you linked: Str, Stam, Crit and Expertise.

Updated the OP with the items from the Captain's chest in normal and heroic mode HoR.

Also added the info about the Ring of the Kirin Tor that EbanySalamonderiel mentioned.

I require some help on the weapons, if someone who's had experience with dual wielding (Tank or DPS) could look at the weapons listed and tell me which ones to remove / keep, that would be great.

For dualweilding dps it has to be 2 slow weapons to maximise DPS. Fast weapons cut the damage of your strikes by about 40%.

So Nighttime, Black Icicle, Aledar's Battlestar, Ghoulslicer or Hateforged Cleaver. For tanking its a judgement call, either a fast tank weapon for more avoidance or slow dps weapons for more threat. A DK should never be using a fast one hand DPS weapon in my opinion.

Awesome list, rate up. Thanks for sharing your research.

The only thing I'd mention is that players should be very careful about the "BIS Disease." Gear is only an upgrade in respect to the other gear you have equipped. Bracers with Hit are only good if you're under the cap without them, where bracers with AP instead of Hit would be superior if you're over the cap. It's always best to see upgrades in relation to your stats, rather than just looking at them as "BIS" or "Not-BIS".

Which I applaud!

Just wanted to toss in a couple pennies for consideration.

=)

Hi,

I have a point/question about the DPS weapons. Where does [link=http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=47493;source=live] fit in? In case the link doesn't work, the weapon is called 'Edge of Ruin' and is a drop in Heroic ToC. I would guess it is as least comparable to the others, but mayhap I am missing something. Thanks

It's a pretty good weapon. I'd personally use it over Mourning Malice or Garfrost's for a DPS weapon(especially if I were needing the ArP), though I'd probably go with Mourning Malice for tanking, of the three. That said, I'd favor Tyrannical Beheader over all of those.