Okay, well you can, but still.
Anywho, I'm currently reading up on shadow stuff across these boards and on shadowpriest.com, and I came across a few questions so far.
Currently, my priest is 78... running Reg ToC and grabbing whatever gear I can from there for when I hit 80. Shadowpriest has this spec as a "Fairly cookie cutter" spec. My question is with that spec, while from reading the tooltips, Spirit Tap doesn't seem that great once you hit 80, I would think Imp Spirit Tap would be worth it.
I'm currently working toward this spec at the moment, but if Imp Spirit Tap really isn't worth it, then I have some points to place somewhere else.
Also (and this is a total I'M A LOSER NOOB! question), since my priest is draenei and with the talented items in the spec, the hit cap would be 263, correct?
I think I'm slowly getting the rotation down though. My dps is usually running around 1200-1500 in fights, so I'm thinking I'm doing fairly well (at least that's what I'm hoping). I'm sure once I get to 80, I'll have it down pack (I've usually been doing MB > SW:P > DP > VT > MF ... and refreshing whatever necessary. I'm going to try out the suggested one on shadowpriest though and see if it ups my dps... VT > MB > DP > MF2 > SW:P)
Anywho, let me know if I fail and whether or not the Imp Spirit Tap is worth it.
Thanks everyone!
EDIT: Disregard my whole "not really a question" about the rotation. I found my original post way back when I was in my early 60s... >< I fail
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 11:41am by xNocturnalSunx
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I lead off with VT > MB > MF > DP > SW:P
You gain stacks of Shadow Weaving from casting shadow spells or directly doing damage with a shadow spell. That means that VT and MB each give you 1 stack of Shadow Weaving each. Mind flay, however, gives not stacks when you first cast it, but gives a stack each tick.
Here's the Breakdown:
Cast VT - 1 Stack
Cast MB - 2 Stacks
Cast MF - 2 Stacks
First MF Tick - 3 Stacks
Second MF Tick - 4 Stacks
Third MF Tick - 5 Stacks
Then I cast my DoTs with 5 stacks. and maintain a priority of VT >SW:P > DP > MB > MF and hit SW:D when I need to kill a second or need to move.
Here's my armory.
I just changed my spec, and I'm rather happy with it. When 3.3 hits, Imp Spirit Tap will boost your spellpower by 10% of your spirit. Here's the math (for now and 3.3):
Now
Twisted Faith: +20% SP from Spirit
Glyph of Shadow: +10% SP from Spirit (on crit)
Imp Spirit Tap: +20% Spirit on Crits that also trigger glyph of shadow. +20% Spirit * +30% SP from Spirit= +6% SP from Spirit
Total (maximum) SP from Spirit now: +36%.
3.3
Twisted Faith: +20% SP from Spirit
Glyph of Shadow: +30% SP from Spirit (on crit)
Imp Spirit Tap: +20% Spirit on Crits that also trigger glyph of shadow. +20% Spirit * +50% SP from Spirit= +10% SP from Spirit
Total (maximum) SP from Spirit in 3.3: +60%.
So I would stick with Imp spirit tap and ditch Focused mind. Spirit is an attractive stat (defiantly in 3.3, somewhat now as well.)
And I believe that you are correct, with heroic presence you only need +10% hit from gear. You can look up 'spell hit' on wowwiki to double check.
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 2:25pm by BakaShinobi
You gain stacks of Shadow Weaving from casting shadow spells or directly doing damage with a shadow spell. That means that VT and MB each give you 1 stack of Shadow Weaving each. Mind flay, however, gives not stacks when you first cast it, but gives a stack each tick.
Here's the Breakdown:
Cast VT - 1 Stack
Cast MB - 2 Stacks
Cast MF - 2 Stacks
First MF Tick - 3 Stacks
Second MF Tick - 4 Stacks
Third MF Tick - 5 Stacks
Then I cast my DoTs with 5 stacks. and maintain a priority of VT >SW:P > DP > MB > MF and hit SW:D when I need to kill a second or need to move.
Here's my armory.
I just changed my spec, and I'm rather happy with it. When 3.3 hits, Imp Spirit Tap will boost your spellpower by 10% of your spirit. Here's the math (for now and 3.3):
Now
Twisted Faith: +20% SP from Spirit
Glyph of Shadow: +10% SP from Spirit (on crit)
Imp Spirit Tap: +20% Spirit on Crits that also trigger glyph of shadow. +20% Spirit * +30% SP from Spirit= +6% SP from Spirit
Total (maximum) SP from Spirit now: +36%.
3.3
Twisted Faith: +20% SP from Spirit
Glyph of Shadow: +30% SP from Spirit (on crit)
Imp Spirit Tap: +20% Spirit on Crits that also trigger glyph of shadow. +20% Spirit * +50% SP from Spirit= +10% SP from Spirit
Total (maximum) SP from Spirit in 3.3: +60%.
So I would stick with Imp spirit tap and ditch Focused mind. Spirit is an attractive stat (defiantly in 3.3, somewhat now as well.)
And I believe that you are correct, with heroic presence you only need +10% hit from gear. You can look up 'spell hit' on wowwiki to double check.
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 2:25pm by BakaShinobi
In keeping with my usual habit of responding to Sun with excellent answers, just not to the questions asked, I just wanted to stop by to say: 4
Also, Power Infusion.
HTH
(I couldn't Mind Flay my way out of a paper bag)
Also, Power Infusion.
HTH
(I couldn't Mind Flay my way out of a paper bag)
teacake wrote:
In keeping with my usual habit of responding to Sun with excellent answers, just not to the questions asked, I just wanted to stop by to say: 4
Also, Power Infusion.
HTH
(I couldn't Mind Flay my way out of a paper bag)
Also, Power Infusion.
HTH
(I couldn't Mind Flay my way out of a paper bag)
Leave me alone, Jerkface!!!!!
;-P
And thanks Baka, that's what I was wondering =). Will keep my spec as it is with the Imp spirit tap then, and fix up my rotation a bit.
Glad to help.
Some people also do a SW:P before the rotation and hen re-cast it after 5 stacks of Shadow weaving. It adds a bit more damage, but SW:P is also expensive to cast. In the long run though, the difference doesn't become apparent unless you need to restart building stacks of Shadow Weaving a number of times.
(BTW, if you need to start on a fresh target, but have 5 stacks of shadow weaving, I go for SW:P > DP > VT > MB as my lead off.)
And for trash, don't be too concerned about your DPS. If things are dying to fast for your DoTs to tick much, Just put 1 dot on them and nuke them the best you can. Mind Sear whenever you have more than 2-3 Mobs. (Note about mind sear: You get a stack of Shadow weaving for each mob you hit on each tick. So if you cast mind sear on a group of 6+ mobs, you'll get 5 stacks of shadow weaving after the first tick.)
Also, see if you can get some kind of timer for your DoTs. I currently use X-perl because it will do a 20s count on the debuff on the mob target bar, but there are plenty of other ways get your DoT times. Right now you'll eventually get the timing down for the DoTs, but when 3.3 hits it will become much more useful as our DoTs are effected by haste (making the timing change based on how much haste you have).
Some people also do a SW:P before the rotation and hen re-cast it after 5 stacks of Shadow weaving. It adds a bit more damage, but SW:P is also expensive to cast. In the long run though, the difference doesn't become apparent unless you need to restart building stacks of Shadow Weaving a number of times.
(BTW, if you need to start on a fresh target, but have 5 stacks of shadow weaving, I go for SW:P > DP > VT > MB as my lead off.)
And for trash, don't be too concerned about your DPS. If things are dying to fast for your DoTs to tick much, Just put 1 dot on them and nuke them the best you can. Mind Sear whenever you have more than 2-3 Mobs. (Note about mind sear: You get a stack of Shadow weaving for each mob you hit on each tick. So if you cast mind sear on a group of 6+ mobs, you'll get 5 stacks of shadow weaving after the first tick.)
Also, see if you can get some kind of timer for your DoTs. I currently use X-perl because it will do a 20s count on the debuff on the mob target bar, but there are plenty of other ways get your DoT times. Right now you'll eventually get the timing down for the DoTs, but when 3.3 hits it will become much more useful as our DoTs are effected by haste (making the timing change based on how much haste you have).
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Thanks Teacake, my stomach hurts from the laughing now
Is there any consideration for opening with SW:P to get Misery on the target for the rest of the raid? If you have a druid tossing Imp FFF, I guess it is a moot point, but still, if you don't want 3% of the openers missing all night, I'm guessing you might eat the cost and get the instant up rather than wait for the cast time of VT.
Of course this is more of a min/max type scenario, just something else to think about. Not that namecalling and form letter responses aren't mind jiggling enough...
Of course this is more of a min/max type scenario, just something else to think about. Not that namecalling and form letter responses aren't mind jiggling enough...
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Is there any consideration for opening with SW:P to get Misery on the target for the rest of the raid? If you have a druid tossing Imp FFF, I guess it is a moot point, but still, if you don't want 3% of the openers missing all night, I'm guessing you might eat the cost and get the instant up rather than wait for the cast time of VT.
Of course this is more of a min/max type scenario, just something else to think about. Not that namecalling and form letter responses aren't mind jiggling enough...
Of course this is more of a min/max type scenario, just something else to think about. Not that namecalling and form letter responses aren't mind jiggling enough...
VT and MF also put misery on the target.
Misery
I like opening with VT because it is the best damage spell I have. I'll open with SW:P if I'm moving up to the target, but, as I mention earlier, some people lead off with SW:P. Just not me.
Listen to Baka. He knows his crap.
Also, just because I can, my opening rotation:
VE > VT > MB > MF > DP > SW:P
Also, my armory is in my sig if you want to copy a spec.
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 8:55pm by IDrownFish
Also, just because I can, my opening rotation:
VE > VT > MB > MF > DP > SW:P
Also, my armory is in my sig if you want to copy a spec.
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 8:55pm by IDrownFish
lol Thanks for the laugh Tea...
And thanks to everyone that replied. I'll work on my rotation more to get it tight. =)
And thanks to everyone that replied. I'll work on my rotation more to get it tight. =)
What's my job on the Priest forums?
See I was hiding in the shadows all this time and I DON'T EVEN HAVE A SHADOW SPEC. ;p
See I was hiding in the shadows all this time and I DON'T EVEN HAVE A SHADOW SPEC. ;p
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idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
Bad joke is bad.
Horsemouth wrote:
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Drunken and disorderly?
teacake wrote:
Horsemouth wrote:
What's my job on the Priest forums?
Drunken and disorderly?
Seconded... all in favor?
I don't think there's much to vote about... he's drunk and disorderly anyway.
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