Tauren 5% health thing...Follow

Figured this was the forum to ask about Taurens.

Does the 5% apply to base or to after gear.


Say base HP = 1000
Post talents/gear = 2000


Does the player get 50 extra HP or 100?


Maybe someone could explain it to me. I'm thinking about a Tauren Pally....

I thought only Blood Elves could be horde pallies. Am I wrong or did they change this?

True.


But my Paly is currently retired and they've introduced the new change faction/retool your characters. I don't know if that means you will be able to turn a BE or Hum (or whatever) into a Tauren Paly at the expansion, but it's an interesting idea.

Paladins have the lowest health of any tank, but are agruably one of the best tanks for a whole lot of situations. There are few better with AoE fights or to OT a ton of mobs. However - the 5% boost to HP (Base) I don't know what that really means - form the perspective of Warrior/DK vs Paly (Druid vs paly will always show the druid with MUCH more HP). But it's an interesting idea.

Diandau - 40k unbuffed Pally tank from my current guild Apollyon
Voom - 40k unbuffed Pally tank from my last guild Tendency


I think they're doing alright.

I left Paly tanking mid-Ulduar. At that point Paly tanks were by far the lowest - if i'm wrong on that - Sorry,

However - the weakness of Paly tank has always been their lower HP. (Threat - Yep - Good, Blockcap - Yep only ones, etc...)

But if you could improve your paly any way - the most basic was that Pally tanks did not naturally have the HP that Wars/DK had. (Again - Druid tanks are so easily HP overkill, it doesn't enter the talks....)

What is an 80 (Naked)

Warrior
DK
Paly
Druid (bear form)



My understanding is that paly has always been the lowest. (Mind you - i'm not talking **** about palys - I have an 80 tankadin)

My point was just that having 5% HP buff might make the Tauren a really nice option - I wouldn't go so far as saying they'd be the only option, but on the horde side - POST EXPAC - would there be any reason to go BE?

500 Health is/was the benifit of Max (450) Mining.


My numbers might be wrong, but up until the Epic Gems came out - the biggest boost to possible tanking stats was BS/Mining. With the introduction of Epic JC, you have some gems that will push JC well ahead of mining. But I'm pretty sure for a long time this was true...

Granted that is saying that 500 Health at the launch of Wrath -vs- 500 health at the launch of the next Expac. And it's sort of the reason I asked the question - how is the 5% applied.

Base value they are lower yes (Source):

So here are the base health values:
Class Base health value
Death Knight 8121
Druid 7417
Hunter 7324
Mage 6963
Paladin 6934
Priest 6960
Rogue 7604
Shaman 6485
Warlock 7164
Warrior 8121

Or do you mean scaling with gear and talents at end game? I am pretty sure warriors are behind on this as they have two talents that increase their stamina by 6% and 4% where as a pally has two talents that increase their stamina by 6% each. Part of the difference in health could have been down to the "extra" stat slot that warrior's have.

Edit: Please correct me if I am wrong

Edited, Nov 11th 2009 9:49am by KevMc

On the whole tank HP thing...

Druid > DK > War > Pally

Pally, in equal gear, will have less HP than War who has less HP than DK who has less hp than Druid.

Why? Mitigations.
Pally has the highest amount of mitigating abilities and generally will have the top block/parry/dodge.
War has some amazing mitigation as well, just slightly behind Pally, and not QUITE as good at AoE threat.
DK has no block, but makes up for it with higher Parry and Frost Presence.
Druid is all around awesome, with lots of abilities to aid in mitigation but overall, they soak damage more than mitigate.

This is probably all irrelevant anyway as from what have heard, they are looking at redoing all the racials with the expansion anyway so there will be all new reasons to pick one class over another.

I love taurens as you get to see all their armor properly cause they are big! Except their boots! :)


My soon(tm) to be 10 80's include 2 Blood Elfs, 1 Orc, 1 Undead, 1 troll and 5 Tauren :)

And I still manage to work 50-60 hours in my business, spend time building wife faction and occaisionally even sleep for more than 4 hours a night!

No. Look at the multipliers from talents/forms/stances. Of the plate classes, paladins > DKs > warriors for stamina multipliers, and therefore past a certain gear level, paladins have the highest HP. Warriors, in equal gear, will have (slightly) less HP than DKs, who have less HP than paladins, who have less HP than druids.

This has little to do with levels of avoidance and mitigation each class has (don't confuse the two: mitigation =/= avoidance; avoidance =/= mitigation), nor is it anything at all to do with their threat capabilities, so really, your post is almost wholly inaccurate.

Honestly, I think the difference in BASE health has more to do with lower end content than higher end.

For one thing, a Paladin will ALWAYS have access to BoK ([EDIT] or BoS) in a group, which is a free 2K health at the level for 5-man heroics. That would probably make them slightly higher than DK tanks (who don't get stam from a shield, and who get fewer +% Stam, 6% for all and 9% for Blood DKs).

That would keep them from being far more powerful as tanks for the lower end content. Beyond that, I don't know much about Paladin or Warrior CDs. But, it is also worthy to note that Pallies get Lay on Hands, which I believe can be self-targetted. With a 20 min CD, it can be used every 1 to 2 bosses for most instances. Pretty amazing ability. Though, they may have made it party-member only (still kicks ***, because it adds armor and returns mana)...

The change in the Tauren racial, from max health to base health (5% overall boost to .5-1.5% boost) was because high end guilds were requiring Warrior and Druid tanks to be Tauren because 5% is such a huge boost.

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 1:54pm by idiggory

1. Probably.
2. He mentions 'in equal gear'. Not naked. I pointed out that since paladins have the highest stamina multipliers from talents of the plate classes, their HP is higher than the other plate tanks beyond a certain gear level. Definitely not lowest, and again, not particularly due to their levels of mitigation. 'Fairness' doesn't change fact. Perhaps paladins should have the lowest HP of the four tanking classes when geared as well as when naked, but the fact remains that they don't.
3. Beyond a certain gear level, the extra stamina from the +8% multiplier that paladins have over warriors is greater than the extra stamina from a warrior's gun. Yes, paladins do have it 'better', if you will.