I was bored last night and decided to roll a pally alt. She's level 12 now, and I went ahead and put three points into Benediction on the Ret tree as I've heard that ret is the best spec for leveling, but I figured I'd come here and ask you guys. I've heard prot can be pretty fun too, but it seems like this is mostly recommended after level 35.
What do you all recommend for leveling, and could I have some suggestions for talent points to get/avoid?
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Supposedly, Ret is the best spec to level with if you want to get her to 80 and quick.
But, I wouldn't know myself. Levelled from 1-67 as Prot, was my first real class I pushed past 50, and then dual-specced Holy for PvP. In the end, I fell in love with Holy, and levelled the rest with that.
As Prot, it was more effecient to take on whole camps at a time, popping the somewhat larger CDs like Bubble and what not, but downtime wasn't an issue and it was effecient. Also, incredibly fun. I found Holy to be nearly similar, but instead of DPSing the mobs down before you die, I kept Consecration and Retri Aura up whilst healing myself through the good 20+ mobs tailing me.
All in all, I'd say look through a talent tree that sounds like something you'd enjoy. Play as it, and re-spec' a few times as you level until you find something that suits you. Ret may be the best spec' for levelling efficient, but may not be the most fun to play in your case.
But, I wouldn't know myself. Levelled from 1-67 as Prot, was my first real class I pushed past 50, and then dual-specced Holy for PvP. In the end, I fell in love with Holy, and levelled the rest with that.
As Prot, it was more effecient to take on whole camps at a time, popping the somewhat larger CDs like Bubble and what not, but downtime wasn't an issue and it was effecient. Also, incredibly fun. I found Holy to be nearly similar, but instead of DPSing the mobs down before you die, I kept Consecration and Retri Aura up whilst healing myself through the good 20+ mobs tailing me.
All in all, I'd say look through a talent tree that sounds like something you'd enjoy. Play as it, and re-spec' a few times as you level until you find something that suits you. Ret may be the best spec' for levelling efficient, but may not be the most fun to play in your case.
Seal of Command cleaves 3 targets now, so you can AoE as well as a prot paladin. It's a little more dangerous, but brute force dps plus divine protection/bubble and LoH means you should basically be jumping into camps and laying waste to multiple opponents.
Ret also gets +15% running and mounted movement speed at all times at around lv 22 or so.
Benediction is the most boring 5 talent points you will ever spend; it gets better from there though:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZZVf0pbcz:0Z0c
Something like that is good at lv30. I think you have 2 minor slots by then, maybe that's 40 vOv
Edited, Nov 9th 2009 11:10pm by ArtemisEnteri
Ret also gets +15% running and mounted movement speed at all times at around lv 22 or so.
Benediction is the most boring 5 talent points you will ever spend; it gets better from there though:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZZVf0pbcz:0Z0c
Something like that is good at lv30. I think you have 2 minor slots by then, maybe that's 40 vOv
Edited, Nov 9th 2009 11:10pm by ArtemisEnteri
ArtemisEnteri . A Question . Why go for Pursuit of justice over Improved Blessing of Might ?
We get a mount at 20 so increased speed is not that needed and my pally did not get disarmed that often , so to give up the nice extra damage of Might seems a little crazy to me unless i have missed something ? .
Best advice i can give is always get a decent weapon , i went with whatever had the highest damage potential so a slow two hander is perfect .
My way with Ret talents was to take anything that increases damage or crits as its only the Crusader Strike i was interested in getting as fast as possible , and it is pretty easy to spot all the good damage increasing talents .
Once you get past level 25-30 you will start feeling sorry for small groups of mobs as they tend to die very fast but do try to keep to smallish groups of mobs as Ret is not so great with more than 3-5 mobs as i find it is so hard to keep health up , i guess that is more a Prot way of fighting with a shield and one hander and a large groups of mobs = a slow but steady winning fight .
This is what i did for talents , i am not sure it is the best way only that it works for me .
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Lightbringer&cn=Sandradreams&gn=Hellsings+Army
We get a mount at 20 so increased speed is not that needed and my pally did not get disarmed that often , so to give up the nice extra damage of Might seems a little crazy to me unless i have missed something ? .
Best advice i can give is always get a decent weapon , i went with whatever had the highest damage potential so a slow two hander is perfect .
My way with Ret talents was to take anything that increases damage or crits as its only the Crusader Strike i was interested in getting as fast as possible , and it is pretty easy to spot all the good damage increasing talents .
Once you get past level 25-30 you will start feeling sorry for small groups of mobs as they tend to die very fast but do try to keep to smallish groups of mobs as Ret is not so great with more than 3-5 mobs as i find it is so hard to keep health up , i guess that is more a Prot way of fighting with a shield and one hander and a large groups of mobs = a slow but steady winning fight .
This is what i did for talents , i am not sure it is the best way only that it works for me .
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Lightbringer&cn=Sandradreams&gn=Hellsings+Army
At level 12 Blessing of Might (rank 2) gives 35 AP. An extra 12/25% of that is not exactly gamebreaking, though it does help. I would also go for the move speed increase. Yes we get mounts at level 20 now, but I'm leveling my Death Knight alongside my gf's Warlock, and my DK has the move speed. I can really tell the difference and usually change to my tank spec when with her just so we will run at the same speed. And it's not like a mount negates the effect of PoJ because it applies to mounted speed as well.
I wouldn't hold off too long on Imp BoM, but would get PoJ before then, if it were me.
I wouldn't hold off too long on Imp BoM, but would get PoJ before then, if it were me.
Improved blessing of might is one of the worst talents in the tree, in terms of raw personal dps. It is of course mandatory at 80 when you start doing dungeons and raids but pick up everything else that is fun until then and just put it off. 15% increased movement speed increases your leveling speed by 15%. It is the best leveling talent in the tree (think of it like it's shortening the road to 80 by 15% for only 2 talent points).
You'll have to make a decision at some point to pick up Divine Strength in the prot tree, again i would put this off as long as possible. The talent scales with your total strength so it gets better the more gear you have. Also, for single target grinding Seals of the Pure is awesome. I would probably move straight over to it in the holy tree after getting Divine Storm. I actually leveled my ret a long time ago when the talent trees were very different so there are different orders of stuff to pick up.
Sanctity of battle is an awesome talent only when you have crusader strike, (and the art of war to some extent) same with sanctified wrath. Judgements of the Wise is amazing and you should ignore absolutely every other talent once it becomes available.
You'll have to make a decision at some point to pick up Divine Strength in the prot tree, again i would put this off as long as possible. The talent scales with your total strength so it gets better the more gear you have. Also, for single target grinding Seals of the Pure is awesome. I would probably move straight over to it in the holy tree after getting Divine Storm. I actually leveled my ret a long time ago when the talent trees were very different so there are different orders of stuff to pick up.
Sanctity of battle is an awesome talent only when you have crusader strike, (and the art of war to some extent) same with sanctified wrath. Judgements of the Wise is amazing and you should ignore absolutely every other talent once it becomes available.
I have to admit i did get the Pursuit of Justice but cannot remember when or why i did it unless it was because i needed some filler points ? thanks also for the explanations as i was not sure where i needed to go in the future talents.
HolyOwnage wrote:
As Prot, it was more effecient to take on whole camps at a time, popping the somewhat larger CDs like Bubble and what not, but downtime wasn't an issue and it was effecient. Also, incredibly fun.
This is what I started doing at 50 when I got frisbee. It seemed to me, at the time, a requirement for tanking instances at that level. I'd quest as prot in the LFG channel and got to 80 pretty fast.
Thanks for all the advice guys, it's good to know that prot and ret are both viable leveling specs. I'll probably keep trying out ret for now, but if it gets boring I'll try prot and see how I like that.
There are many reasons to level as any spec - effectively though, you are correct - there is no reason to even try prot until 35. This is because it's the level at which you can start to AOE grind.
Ret is faster than Prot
Ret is faster than Prot AOE
Having said that, for no damn reason, I leveled as prot and it was pretty fun.
Goal: Hit 80 Quickly = Ret
Goal: Anything other than super fast leveling = Ret/Holy/Prot - you pick.
Ret is faster than Prot
Ret is faster than Prot AOE
Having said that, for no damn reason, I leveled as prot and it was pretty fun.
Goal: Hit 80 Quickly = Ret
Goal: Anything other than super fast leveling = Ret/Holy/Prot - you pick.
Since I'm currently in the same position as Pigtails, is Pursuit of Justice only useful for the Movement speed but not so much for the mounted movement speed? I'm talking about when we eventually get crusader aura and whatnot? Since it says that it doesn't stack.
Edited, Dec 21st 2009 10:56am by xNocturnalSunx
Edited, Dec 21st 2009 10:56am by xNocturnalSunx
Yeah, they don't stack. Pursuit of Justice increases running speed and mounted speed by 15%, Crusader Aura by 20% but mounted only. You'll spend enough time unavoidably on foot that the talent is pretty useful though.
You get Pursuit of Justice at a very early level.
Crusader Aura isn't until the 60s.. so it really speeds up the old-world Vanilla boring areas quite a bit.
That, and the increased movement speed is nice indoors, too.
Another thing I love about Ret, is that you always get your mana regen, as long as you use Judgment every opportunity.
Prot, on the other hand, relies upon blocking/dodging/parrying to get their mana back. You don't get any alternatives until Divine Plea (which isn't until mid-60s if I recall). Even then, you need the prot talent that keeps Divine Plea up when you land a melee attack.
Without high-end gear, your Block/Dodge/Parry chances aren't -that- good, and you will likely OOM fairly often. You don't get some of the better talents/abilities until 60+ anyways.
Sitting on your butt is boring. I do everything I can to avoid doing just that. That's why I love ret -- they never OOM, ever, ever. Unless of course you bite off more than you can chew, lol.
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 3:21pm by Zariamnk
Crusader Aura isn't until the 60s.. so it really speeds up the old-world Vanilla boring areas quite a bit.
That, and the increased movement speed is nice indoors, too.
Another thing I love about Ret, is that you always get your mana regen, as long as you use Judgment every opportunity.
Prot, on the other hand, relies upon blocking/dodging/parrying to get their mana back. You don't get any alternatives until Divine Plea (which isn't until mid-60s if I recall). Even then, you need the prot talent that keeps Divine Plea up when you land a melee attack.
Without high-end gear, your Block/Dodge/Parry chances aren't -that- good, and you will likely OOM fairly often. You don't get some of the better talents/abilities until 60+ anyways.
Sitting on your butt is boring. I do everything I can to avoid doing just that. That's why I love ret -- they never OOM, ever, ever. Unless of course you bite off more than you can chew, lol.
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 3:21pm by Zariamnk
Go Ret for speed.
Go Prot for fun. But if you do... Wait till 35 ish. Frankly you should just D.Spec it.... Paly healing isn't fun IMO...
My advice if you do roll prot is to google or youtube a video of someone AOE grinding. There are a few out there... Sort of the Pally version of "In Frost We Trust".
Morons will tell you that you can tank 12+ mobs at once. That's really not true when you start. By 80 you can do some crazy things, but while leveling - Especially when lower - you really can pick up 3 - 5 mobs and be safe... Yeah - you want to blow all you CDs and pot and maybe risk death, then you can pick up 8 mobs.
My first toon was a mage. My second was a paly. What you learn is that as a mage, you generally want 1 target. That's the most efficient way to do most things... As a pally you want more than one. Your tanking abilities hurt people who hit you. So more people hitting you means more damage. (Add in a Shield Spike too). What you want to do is find that efficient frontier where you are doing the max damage, but taking the least personal risk.
There will come a point where if you have someone you can hit - you just can't die. I realized this in Strat. I went to the old lvl 60 instance. Nothing could kill me - unless those stupid bugs snared me. It was kind of like the light flicking on... I realized that if the bugs could root me to the ground I couldn't hit things. Without hitting I couldn't get mana or health.
It's all about finding that efficiency...
Go Prot for fun. But if you do... Wait till 35 ish. Frankly you should just D.Spec it.... Paly healing isn't fun IMO...
My advice if you do roll prot is to google or youtube a video of someone AOE grinding. There are a few out there... Sort of the Pally version of "In Frost We Trust".
Morons will tell you that you can tank 12+ mobs at once. That's really not true when you start. By 80 you can do some crazy things, but while leveling - Especially when lower - you really can pick up 3 - 5 mobs and be safe... Yeah - you want to blow all you CDs and pot and maybe risk death, then you can pick up 8 mobs.
My first toon was a mage. My second was a paly. What you learn is that as a mage, you generally want 1 target. That's the most efficient way to do most things... As a pally you want more than one. Your tanking abilities hurt people who hit you. So more people hitting you means more damage. (Add in a Shield Spike too). What you want to do is find that efficient frontier where you are doing the max damage, but taking the least personal risk.
There will come a point where if you have someone you can hit - you just can't die. I realized this in Strat. I went to the old lvl 60 instance. Nothing could kill me - unless those stupid bugs snared me. It was kind of like the light flicking on... I realized that if the bugs could root me to the ground I couldn't hit things. Without hitting I couldn't get mana or health.
It's all about finding that efficiency...
What I'd do:
Level 19
Level 29
Level 39
Level 49
Level 59
Level 70
I wouldn't bother with avoidance. Judgement of Light + Armor + High Damage means you never need to stop unless it's to drink as it is.
Level 19
Level 29
Level 39
Level 49
Level 59
Level 70
I wouldn't bother with avoidance. Judgement of Light + Armor + High Damage means you never need to stop unless it's to drink as it is.
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Ret.
Lvl 35ish Prot can do the job but with the changes to Quest Xp as well as XP needed to level at low levels Ret has really pulled ahead.
As always some kid will come in and say "I leveled Holy fine" but don't listen to them.
Lvl 35ish Prot can do the job but with the changes to Quest Xp as well as XP needed to level at low levels Ret has really pulled ahead.
As always some kid will come in and say "I leveled Holy fine" but don't listen to them.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
I leveled Holy fine.....oh crap.
If you're absolutely set on holy, leveling exclusively via battlegrounds and dungeons would probably be faster than trying to level in the traditional manner. Bonus points: you'll be a good healer at 80 with all the practice.
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If you're absolutely set on holy, leveling exclusively via battlegrounds and dungeons would probably be faster than trying to level in the traditional manner. Bonus points: you'll be a good healer at 80 with all the practice.
I don't think the OP is. I was just being "some kid" (which I'm not). I basically leveled through dungeons at a very casual pace. I was in no hurry to level, so holy was fine for me. But if you are in a hurry, don't do holy.
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