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#1 Nov 05 2009 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
Hey, quick question. Played a Ret pally (i know i know) to lvl 65, never really got into the experience. My family members that play switched realms so now I re rolled (thank god!) as a warrior. I was wondering how hard it is to find a group that will except you as a main tank later on at high lvls? Also, if anyone has any tips for me they are greatly appreciated. I don't really care whats best in the game for classes, just want to know more and more about my warrior so I can get better. I was doing the whole, play the story of Arthas as pally and then go death knight at 55 ( sounded like fun, but not really what I was looking for I guess) So far lvl 10 tyty!

#2 Nov 06 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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No time for a drawn out response, but:
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I was wondering how hard it is to find a group that will except you as a main tank later on at high lvls?

No, it's not. It is of course hard to get the main tank position for a progression guild, but that doesn't matter what class you are. Warrior tanks are awesome, and I've had the most fun with warrior out of the three tanks (Pally, DK, Warrior) that I've played.
#3 Nov 06 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I've found personally that people with assume that a warrior is a tank more than they will assume that a pally, druid or DK is.

My warrior was asked far more in random whispers if he could tank XXX instance than any other character. This can be both a blessing and a curse though...
#4 Nov 06 2009 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
I can understand that when I made my first warrior (arms), but now I want to go tank so hoping for the blessing. Thanks everyone for your posts!


**tank equation -> Warrior + smash to the face = "thanks for scratching that itch for me, my hands are full" ;)***
#5 Nov 07 2009 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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There just isn't any "best tank" since that determination would have to be based entirely on the encounter.

Warriors are THE tanks, though, and offer the most versatility of the tanking classes, very much the same as priests are THE healers. Acceptance is generally higher than for the other classes, simply because most people are used to warrior tanks. They never had negative reputations like being "sponges" (druids) or n00bs (DKs).

That said, though, a PuG usually doesn't care at all as long as SOMEBODY can be found to do the job. This is especially true for doing 5-mans, and only changes a bit when people are trying to fill slots with specific roles (like a spark tank, add tank, or whatever).

I also find a warrior tank to be the safest investment. They can dodge, block, and parry, without being overly dependant on just one of them. Of all the tank classes, they are the ones least likely to be facing major changes (read nerfs) because of PvP. Itemization is very straightforward.
#6 Nov 09 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Having a healing 80 Priest ... I <3 Warrior Tanks

They know their role and do it well.

They have great defensive skills, no Def capped isnt all that matters foolish DK's, No Stam Stacking does not make you a tank druid ... /sigh

They are the 2nd easiest tank to heal (afte paly due to self heals)

They rock my face off!
#7REDACTED, Posted: Nov 10 2009 at 9:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Warrior tanks is a must have for Bosses or Mini bosses that needs to be controlled due to shield bass ,stuns , and more stuns ... . They are also virtually immune to fears making some fights simply must have. Disarm has little uselfulness , spell reflect same.
#8 Nov 15 2009 at 10:08 PM Rating: Good
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KradortheDruid wrote:
I've found personally that people with assume that a warrior is a tank more than they will assume that a pally, druid or DK is.

My warrior was asked far more in random whispers if he could tank XXX instance than any other character. This can be both a blessing and a curse though...


It might also have something to do with Warrior DPS being more of a pain than something you go search for. Arms Warriors lack threat reduction and while they can put out big numbers, most Arms Warriors I've run with (and I've run with a lot) pop Bladestorm and fold before anyone know what's going on. Fury Warriors, while delivering more steady DPS and less aggro, have a tendency to lack in top DPS. Again, this is from what I've seen. I've run VOA with an equally geared Death Knight, Paladin and Fury Warrior and the Fury Warrior didn't get past 2k DPS while the two others were fighting for the top spot.

It pains me to say, but if I'm looking for a Warrior it's usually because I'm looking for a tank. DPS Warriors are just too painful to bring along.

Edited, Nov 16th 2009 5:12am by Mazra
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#9 Nov 16 2009 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
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It pains me to say, but if I'm looking for a Warrior it's usually because I'm looking for a tank. DPS Warriors are just too painful to bring along.


The lack of a threat drop for Arms is pretty ridiculous. I had my first one in a party the other day. I managed to keep threat most of the time, and he SAID he didn't hold back much (but I don't know how much was truth and how much was just being nice).

They really need to get on that. When one class played perfectly puts out 3K DpS as 3K threat and another (also played perfectly) puts out 3K DpS as 2K threat, there's a pretty big problem. Note--these are just random numbers and not based on any actual classes.
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#10 Nov 17 2009 at 2:40 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah. You can bring along a Retribution Paladin, Death Knight and Arms Warrior and the Arms Warrior will pull aggro much more often. Paladins get an innate 30% reduction in threat and Death Knights 25%. Arms Warriors get zero. None. Not even a Feint or a Cower. Not even a Soul Shatter.

And Arms Warriors are all about spike damage. Proc, proc, proc and they're suddenly tanking the mob instead of the tank. Fury Warriors, which seem to do more steady damage, get 10% thread reduction from talents. It makes no sense.
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#11 Nov 17 2009 at 5:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Nothing other than a passive threat reduction would really work, though. I am running into this issue with my Enh Shaman quite often now, where a lucky (or not) series of procs and crits has my damage spike so high that no Wind Shear is gonna save me. There is either a successful taunt or I am dead...

Also, with Bladestorm you're losing all but directional control over your toon, so there isn't really anything you could to to actively drop some threat if you see yourself climbing too fast while you're swirling around.

That said, decently geared Arms warriors are almost always the recipient of Vigilance when I am tanking with my warrior, and they better hope that there isn't the typical warlock in the group (IMO they all have ego issues and zero discipline) needing my attention too.
#12 Nov 17 2009 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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I'm with Mazra, in this expansion any of the four tank classes are equally good but a warrior has no good PvE dps tree. Be warned, if you're leveling up that means you'll be expected to tank and be tanking with a serious handicap because by the time you ding 80 everyone will be decked out in free t10 gear and you will be unable to keep up with threat.
#13 Nov 17 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
TBC and WoTLK pretty much done it's best in breaking down good guilds...
my server's top and famous guilds have broken down tremendously... even raiding alliances have dwindled down to 10's...so what does this mean?

you have a plethora of 10man guilds out there, each with that two spot of tank filled up...
you have even more 10man guilds out there, starting... and you will be able to find some tank spots avail there... but then, it's not like lvl 60 raiding BWL/Naxx... it's like runing UBRS for the rest of your endgame "life" till next expac, next race, next content...

i was a tank all my gaming life, had no problem tanking as soon as i turned 80... do your research and you're heroics ready...
it was a bit of transition going from tanking with CC'ing and with more grace/finesse of TBC to AoE tanking and nuking the crap out of everything... seems it's all about AoE... but soon enough, warr tanks proved to be quite capable in anything/everything... i have no problem tanking 5 mans heroics...

for end game, tried to join 25 mans as tank... but as i mentioned, they have dedicated tanks... not interested in back ups for some reason... and so tank spots are filled in on the top 25 man progression guilds... so i went arms... and get my tanking fix out of heroics and pugs..

how hard is it to find a tank spot for you at endgame?
it depends on you, really... and your server...
#14 Nov 22 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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Having a healing 80 Priest ... I <3 Warrior Tanks

They know their role and do it well.

They have great defensive skills, no Def capped isnt all that matters foolish DK's, No Stam Stacking does not make you a tank druid ... /sigh

They are the 2nd easiest tank to heal (afte paly due to self heals)

They rock my face off!


Minor detail...the only self heal a pally has that they would use while tanking is Lay on Hands (and that will be changing with 3.3). Prot pallies don't judge Light anymore. The reason pallies tend to be easier to heal is because they take damage more evenly than other tank classes. Druids and (blood) DKs are the tanks with self heals these days.
#15 Nov 23 2009 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Given that I'm a Herbalist, I have 2 HoTs that I get. Given any class can have the Herbalist HoT. I really appreciate having 2 HoTs on a 3 minute cooldown.

Popping both gives me ~40% hp in HoT. Which is very helpful in certain situations. Also always having a pot (Alchemy) to blow is nice.

I really like these professions for the warrior. Plus, you can start your early end game set with a nice trinket. Being as I pretty much only tank on my warrior, looking at loot lists, I find trinkets being one of the hardest to get without badges.
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