Which One?Follow

Not sure which way to go here, Crusaders Dragonscale Breastplate or Knightbane Carapace.
The Knightbane is good for hit as it allows me to look at other armour that doesnt have hit attached to it but its leather.
On Rawr it rates very high for a Hunter but a few threads I've read about it tend to say its more a Druid chest.
And then theres the loss of armour.
The Crusaders Dragonscale has a lot of haste and from what I've read thats not a biggie for us.
Its also supposed to be a good MM chest, I'am SV.
But it does have Armour Penetration, again not so sure how much of that stat we actually need.
Plus it has intellect whereas Knightbane doesnt.
So buggered if I know.
The hit is good on the Knightbane as is the AP.
Its a lot of money to spend on the wrong chest.
So any comments and feedback/advice would be greatly apprecited here :)

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47599

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47595#comments

Edited, Nov 1st 2009 7:53am by RodStorm

RodStorm -- use this site. :)

You can try on both chests, appropriately gemmed/enchanted, and see for yourself which would be better. You'll also be able to mess around with all your other gear, gems, talents, etc.

Isy and Sari gave you a good clue, try it out in the simulator and it will give you the better one, sometimes it is not always the Mail that wins. I have a hard time convincing other guildies of that. Armor isn't a stat that affects hunters in raids, I don't consider it for any piece.

Sari did have one minor thing wrong, we have to talent for the Int>AP, but I'm not sure what hunter doesn't.



ArP isn't a big deal for SV builds, if you find you are getting a huge amount of it, you should spec MM. Haste is going to affect your white damage the most, so it's always handy.



Looking at the pieces, yes you net 32AP, but the 8agi and 71int overcome that difference by quite a bit (it's 79AP). The int will also increase your mana pool so that is another consideration. I have never used Rawr so I am not sure how it's equations are set up, but it would seem like it's giving you faulty information or your hit rating isn't capped (but you say it is, is it soft capped? that would make a difference unless you include the Draeni buff)



SV is the best new to 80 raiding spec. As you acquire pieces with significant ArP, then an ArP MM build outdrives it. I'll try to link a SV build for raiding when I get home.



See, something must be fishy with Rawr :P

It really boils down to your crit rating. Brownign suggested 2/3 because I am assuming that he has a higher crit rate where EW will have an almost constant proc. I know we are talking percents of percents here and nothing is absolute, but if you do have a good crit rate then it is a waste to raise that 66% to 100% and can go for another talent that will help your DPS (hunting party only gives you a small amount of agility increase, but then again it stacks with MotW and Kings and give you mana regen- all helping your DPS.

The card is pretty beast, and is a good investment. I wish I could afford one!

The time you gem ArP is when you run your gear on femaledwarf and see that ArP nets you more than Agi.

Edited, Nov 5th 2009 2:11pm by MossyOakCamo

Ratingbuster just takes the combat ratings (hit, crit, etc) and translates them into meaningful percentages. Addons like TankPoints that assign "values" to each stat are also not terribly good, because the relative value of stats changes as your gear does.

Femaledwarf runs all of your specific gear through mathematical simulations of actual DPS output, which is a lot more meaningful in and of itself, and allows you better comparisons of "How much raid dps do I actually get out of this?"

Sorry for the double post but if I edited my previous post no one would see this.
I had a lengthy discussion with a high end Hunter tonight ingame and just wanted to confirm some of the info he passed on before I go and make some changes.
Firstly he said once you get up to 8% over the hit cap hit doesnt come into it anymore but ArP does.
So as a Dranei I'd be looking at 253 for a total cap.
Then use enchants for agil. but purely gem for ArP and nothing else.
Atm I have +20 agil in every gem slot so to change this wont be cheap.
This is for a MM build and not a SV build.
I dual spec'd to MM from BM and have SV as my trusty backup.
There is no ArP cap as such but the more the better he said.
The dps boost doing this is quite good aparently.
He also said for pve not to use Silence Shot as most bosses are immune to Silence.
I havent raided enough to know that but the 50% damage of my damage looks impressive.
So any comments here would be great as I'am out of my depth with MM spec but it something I'd dearly love to try and be good at.
Thanks.

Thanks mate, thats why I asked what I did to get a second opinion.
Yes the cap is 230 but with 8% added or rounded up to 10% its 253.
I was told your ArP number comes from your hit until 8% over.
Wrong advice there to I guess.
I'll keep what I have gem wise until I'am better geared.
Heres my wip so far:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khaz%27goroth&n=Huntr%C3%ABss
Its my MM spec but I consider my SV spec atm a better dps one.
Thanks again for the help.

Edited, Nov 8th 2009 1:30am by RodStorm

Ok, so I'am assuming that piece of info I was given is incorrect as well.
Is it worth being 8% over the hit cap or just stick with 230?
Ta.

OP is a draenei though, in which case the cap is 7%, or 230.