Weapon Runes: Razorice vs Cinderglacier...Follow

Rune of Swordshattering or Rune of Stoneskin Gargoyle, yes.

The first is a flat 4% avoidance.

The second is about 3% avoidance (IF you are at crit-immune already) and 2% Stamina.

A matter of taste for most people. The second gets more and more attractive as you get more health though. Right now, I only have 2008, which is only an additional 40 Stamina. Good, yes. But I like having more avoidance (for the moment). Because I'm not at 540 Def, I'm at 536. That means a lower avoidance return. I expect I'll change in time, though, especially if I ever gear up enough to do an IC instance.

[EDIT] Gah. I hate being sick. I'd get 80 stamina, not 40. [/EDIT]


Razorice increases your off-hand's damage by 2% and will slowly increase a target's vulnerability to ice damage. Once you are capped, if you keep it up, it is a constant 10% boost to ice damage.

Rune of Cinderglacier gives you a chance to gain a buff that increases the next two frost/shadow damage sources by 20%.

Personally, the first looks MUCH nicer to me (without knowing the proc rate of CG, because I can't find it). The latter is clearly better on trash (especially if your HB gets a KM proc). But a passive +10% to all frost skills would win out unless you got the CG proc half the time (or more/less, depending on what skills it is most likely to be used on, which is probably HB/FS).

[EDIT]


To clarify, it isn't that I'd get lower avoidance returns. It is that I'd get less than if I went up to 540 by gear and then used it.

Edited, Oct 31st 2009 12:16pm by idiggory

Edited, Oct 31st 2009 8:49pm by idiggory

OK, did a little more browsing and I think I know at least why EJ people say to use Razorice...

Razorice will net you 10% ice/frost vunerability at some point as long as you are killing something that will take awhile to put down. The ice/frost vunerability will also benefit ANY ice/frost spell that is cast on the target (meaning... it will help out frost mages also).

The big downfall of Razorice is if you and your party are killing like mad and the target dies while you are still stacking the Razorice debuffs. You'll still get whatever %, but I am not sure if Razorice will help you out more than Cinderglacier would on the same target.

Razorice might be purely situational... like having it in raids. While Cinderglacier is better for normal stuff and soloing...

Anyone see anything I missed or didn't hit upon?

I'm just gonna start switching out my off hand now pending on what we're doing in a fight.

Cinderglacier for soloing and fights with lots of adds.
Razorice for straight boss fights.

The 10% bonus from the RI stack only applies to you, not to anyone else. The only added bonus is that the 10% is also applied to your Frost Fever.

I use CG for those big Rime+KM procs and to boost my FS dmg.

Also, CG is 2 stacks 1ppm.

After several naked 5-min auto-attack tests (and actual raid data), razorice produced more dps for me over cinder in the off-hand. It's best to test for yourself than to completely rely on websites and conjecture.