Thanks Theo with the talents advice i will remember it when i finally respec again and i went against your advice again as a sweet pair of Daggers found their way to me which goes to show i have to much gold as they were not that cheap.
The Hemo, Ghostly Strike, and Serrated Blades seem to help at the moment with crits of over 900 happening quite a lot so i am happy with them for now .
I am wondering if that Master of Deception talents works as well as i hoped it should though as i am now wandering about killing in Tanaris and find even the same level humanoids do seem to know rather easily when i get close to them , i guess it does say reduces the chance and more effective than rank two which could mean anything but i guess better than not taking the talents at all ?
I am not sure if this will work but was what i was thinking about with my talents at end game for solo use.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fhxcoZ0xcZebfbhGdbAzV0ot
Please feel free to comment on the choices i made there , well i expect someone will say i have missed something out that does better damage but i think its pretty viable if not the best choices.
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So for 'end game solo use' you are taking no hemo, no sinister strike. I'm assuming you are sticking with daggers. OK fine. Is having a positional requirement for all of your attacks your definition of fun?
Ok so in my talent choice i made some mistakes did i ?
What should i have picked ? and yes it will be at least 1 dagger at end game i guess , but seeing as i still have a long way to go that is why i started this thread so i could learn as i go and at least Theo will i hope point out my foolish mistakes as all i usually see is high end talking about the other trees and raiding which i will not be doing.
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So for 'end game solo use' you are taking no hemo, no sinister strike. I'm assuming you are sticking with daggers. OK fine. Is having a positional requirement for all of your attacks your definition of fun?
What should i have picked ? and yes it will be at least 1 dagger at end game i guess , but seeing as i still have a long way to go that is why i started this thread so i could learn as i go and at least Theo will i hope point out my foolish mistakes as all i usually see is high end talking about the other trees and raiding which i will not be doing.
Sandra, the reason Thomas is giving you a hard time about having Hemo is because of how the ability works; much like Sinister Strike, it's normalized in such a way that it doesn't get any benefit at all from having daggers equipped in the main hand.
So essentially if you're using Hemo with a dagger, you might as well just be using Sinister Strike with a dagger (which is also awful).
With daggers in the main hand, you have one or two options for a main attack, depending on how you're specced:
Backstab or Mutilate. That's it. Any other ability is a waste of energy.
Ghostly Strike operates on the same kind of normalization as Hemo and SS do, also making it not worthwhile.
As far as Serrated Blades, the talent isn't worth three points at the level you're at (I don't know that it's worth 3 points at any level). It's mainly useful when you're using Rupture, and since I don't think that you're doing that, you might want to spend points elsewhere.
As Sub daggers, you want to open like this: Ambush > gouge > BS > KS > BS > BS > Evis. If you can kill the mob with evis instead of KS for your first finisher, then do it.
You NEED the 8 points in Assassination. Need. BS is terrible without them, and you'll be killing much more quickly with those talents.
So essentially if you're using Hemo with a dagger, you might as well just be using Sinister Strike with a dagger (which is also awful).
With daggers in the main hand, you have one or two options for a main attack, depending on how you're specced:
Backstab or Mutilate. That's it. Any other ability is a waste of energy.
Ghostly Strike operates on the same kind of normalization as Hemo and SS do, also making it not worthwhile.
As far as Serrated Blades, the talent isn't worth three points at the level you're at (I don't know that it's worth 3 points at any level). It's mainly useful when you're using Rupture, and since I don't think that you're doing that, you might want to spend points elsewhere.
As Sub daggers, you want to open like this: Ambush > gouge > BS > KS > BS > BS > Evis. If you can kill the mob with evis instead of KS for your first finisher, then do it.
You NEED the 8 points in Assassination. Need. BS is terrible without them, and you'll be killing much more quickly with those talents.
Sandra - all I was implying is that a Sub Dagger build has a positional req (read: behind target) for every attack you plan on doing, which makes pulling more than 1 mob very tough. Theo pointed out above the best rotation, but it is energy exhaustive and requires more downtime than a mut dagger spec that focuses on mob control and requires less energy per dmg output.
Thanks for both the replies now i understand a little better what i need to do and can adapt what i have been doing , i am still having fun though and of course that was my intentions as i can still easily kill mobs above my level and sometimes it ends up as three at a time .
I just wanted to say thanks Theo i have now put 8 points into Assassination but still keeping the Ghostly strike though as i think it is useful for the 15% dodge until i get to later levels at least and also i am still using Hemo , i am a lazy player i guess as i mostly use Ambush then ghostly strike or Hemo then finish off with Evis and those 8 points just gave me an extra average of 50dps and getting amazing crits of over 1100 so most mobs die pretty fast , now i really am having fun.
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If you're going to use hemo and ghostly strike, at least use a a slow sword, fist, mace, or axe in your main hand. If you want to use ambush, I highly suggest using backstab as well. You'll see a major increase in your survivability and damage. Doing what you're doing is the equivalent of a warrior going arms spec with a sword and board, or an enhancement shaman dual wielding caster daggers. (Okay, maybe it's not that bad.)
I agree i am doing it differently but not really knowing what i am doing has not killed my alt for about 15 levels , the last three deaths was from a rare elite level 45 ? dragon when i was level 30 while collecting turtle meat for a cooking quest . My main point was to have fun and learn the class at my own speed and learn what i can and cannot do and and adapt as i learn better ways to play a Rogue , so my idea in the beginning was to create an alt that can go almost anywhere undetected and pick pocket all the humanoid mobs which is what i believe a Rogue should be doing and the pure DPS side although needed is a secondary need as long as i can escape to survive .
Cloth wearers my level usually last about 2 seconds max even with my bad way of playing and of course if it is two mobs close together i have always sapped one of them so making it far easier and even warrior types of mobs are not so hard as to really cause me any problems , i am getting crits of over 1000 a lot of the time so i think at the moment my strategy is working rather well even if not to the "normal" way of doing things .
I can see i could have been doing it faster and with more damage but i like watching the mobs movements and working out how to get to them and even in STV with the groups of skull splitters ( i hate them on a few classes i have done the quests with ) i managed to take them on without getting killed and the group of three that wanders around that usually manages to catch my other alts out only required me to kill one then vanish so i could heal and the two left were easy to kill , perhaps in a better spec i could have taken on all three of those dam wandering warriors at the same time and survived but i do not know how to do that so i think it is better i do as i am doing and survive .
I do use back stab when required and any other special moves i have when needed and what i need now is to get some gear with + hit on it as i struggle sometimes when i get a run of misses on a mob which again i am guessing any other spec would still be getting at my level unless i have missed something ?
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightbringer&n=Sandrashine
Cloth wearers my level usually last about 2 seconds max even with my bad way of playing and of course if it is two mobs close together i have always sapped one of them so making it far easier and even warrior types of mobs are not so hard as to really cause me any problems , i am getting crits of over 1000 a lot of the time so i think at the moment my strategy is working rather well even if not to the "normal" way of doing things .
I can see i could have been doing it faster and with more damage but i like watching the mobs movements and working out how to get to them and even in STV with the groups of skull splitters ( i hate them on a few classes i have done the quests with ) i managed to take them on without getting killed and the group of three that wanders around that usually manages to catch my other alts out only required me to kill one then vanish so i could heal and the two left were easy to kill , perhaps in a better spec i could have taken on all three of those dam wandering warriors at the same time and survived but i do not know how to do that so i think it is better i do as i am doing and survive .
I do use back stab when required and any other special moves i have when needed and what i need now is to get some gear with + hit on it as i struggle sometimes when i get a run of misses on a mob which again i am guessing any other spec would still be getting at my level unless i have missed something ?
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightbringer&n=Sandrashine
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