Unholy DWFollow

I tried to DPS unholy DW. I checked into EJ and found the lastest thread on unholy DPS. I was using the Mace from H ToC and the Tournament Badge one. But, my DPS was absolutely CRAPPY. I realize the amount of hit needed when DW increases, but there was no way I could justify keeping that type of build. I have mostly HToC and ToC gear, which focus more on ArP than Hit.

Any suggestions on what I could do if I truely wanted to run this build?

The link to the build I was looking at is here, under blood presence DW

http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t72364-unholy_dps_scourge_strike_anything_but_ordinary/

DW in unholy spec?? why?

I'd recommend going frost if you wanted to DW to DPS or use a 2hander to DPS as unholy spec.
From what I know, unholy doesn't have talents to help you do DPS using DW, frost does.

I've tried again and again to understand it, but I can't. Your strikes do half damage. You hit way less, so necrosis returns less. Your AP isn't much higher. EPB may have a slightly higher return due to slightly higher disease damage from AP, but I don't get why Black Ice (5% on the disease) isn't taken in favor of blood talents.

The rotations are nearly the same, except BB is used instead of BS for all but those needed to get the damage buff.

I guess, with this system, the only strikes you are using are PS, SS and an occasional BS, but still. That loss in hit is bad, and a BS on a 2-hander hits way harder than a BB in DW.

I could see it being viable in the my-guild-doesn't-care-as-long-as-I-do-X-DpS sense, but not why it can surpass it.

The UB nerf sucks, but it is already a pretty small percentage of damage. Since they don't stack, you are only getting the benefit from one in the first place.

If you fire 1 DC per rotation, you get maximum effect. You'll use it every 10 seconds, refreshing the UB so there isn't any downtime.

If you fire 2 DC per rotation, you aren't getting any additional benefit. Actually, the damage per DC decreases, since UB is spawned from DC.

If you fire 3 DC per rotation (as Blood sometimes does), you aren't getting UB damage from 2 DCs.

As a result:

1 DC fired: DC(+UB) damage = 120% (increase of 20% per DC)
2 DC fired: DC(+UB) damage = 220% (increase of 10% per DC)
3 DC fired: DC(+UB) damage = 320% (increase of 6.66% per DC)

The talent is already fairly mediocre (especially as a 21-pointer).

Level 80 DC = (443 damage + (.15*AP))*1.3 (for glyph and talent). With 5K AP, you'd get 1551 damage for an unresisted one.

If that is the only DC fired, you'd get a full 20% more from it over 10 seconds. Which is 310.18/10 = 31 DpS.

31 DpS. For a 21 point talent. It's just going down to 15.5 DpS now.

I may have made a mistake in my math (God, I hope I did), but it is just awful now. Maybe, if it can crit and gains bonuses from EBP it'll be... slightly...better. Still, 5K AP isn't awful and the amount returned is minuscule.

A point in Blood Worms, often considered a talent that isn't necessary, is about that.

[EDIT]

With the UB glyph and RoR, it'll go up to 48~ DpS, I guess. Not really worth the glyph though, imo. 40% of 33 is only 15~ish.

Edited, Oct 28th 2009 12:18am by idiggory

I just looked it up, and it seems to. But it isn't a direct stacking (So, if you launch two DCs and each does 1K damage, your UB will not run for 400 damage/10 seconds. It seems to be something like 80% of the second DC, which is 16% of the DC damage through UB). Though, I think it is less (the tests I read had the UB glyph).

I don't know how many times it will stack, though. There seems to be very little info on it. :/

EJ says the 10% nerf will only cost Unholy 1-2% of their DpS though. So it still isn't very much.

[EDIT-For clarification.]

Edited, Oct 28th 2009 12:22pm by idiggory

Edited, Oct 28th 2009 12:24pm by idiggory

DW without Threat of the Thassarian isn't raid viable. You hit for less than a two-handed weapon and if that offhand weapon is ever going to hit on normal strikes you need ridiculous amounts of +hit.

13k DPS on Onyxia? How exactly did you do 13k DPS while she was airborne?

He was the whelp tank running around hatching all the eggs. >.<

I had someone try to get into ToC saying they could do 8-10k dps easily. I asked how, they said "I did it on Ony!"
Well good for you buck, I did (and screen shotted for lulz) 18k on my Mage without ANY cooldowns or flask/potions/in T8.5 on Ony during whelps. Wish I could use that to get into raids!


On topic, Frost DW > Unholy. There is no argument there.

Just curious how a DK is a semi-hybrid?

You're either hybrid or not. The only classes that aren't hybrids are what, Mage, Rogue, Hunter & Warlock, yeah? I just think its silly to say semi hybrid or full hybrid like it really matters one way or the other. People ******* when warriors were throwing dmg and dps around like little thai hookers, so it's only a matter of time before another hybrid class gets the same grief.

No worries. I've just never seen anyone refer to any of the Hybrid classes as "Semi-Hybrid" before. Curiosity got the best of me :D

I did Unholy DW for a bit on my leveling DK.

Was pretty cool.

Sat in unholy presence. Spammed 1 rune attacks. Lots of DCs. Ghoul had near 100% uptime of Frenzy.

Was pretty fun.