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#1 Oct 26 2009 at 10:59 AM Rating: Default

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Culling the Herd: This pet talent has replaced the Avoidance talent in the pet trees (Hunter pets now gain that benefit automatically without expenditure of talent points). Culling the Herd increases pet and hunter damage by 1/2/3% for 10 seconds each time the pet deals a critical strike with Claw, Bite, or Smack.

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I was reading this and thought wow, what a great DPS talent. I began going over things in my head that it would be even for every hunter. Because the increased damage that survival and MM hunters do will make up for the loads of damage the BM pet puts out. However, its pretty much guaranteed that this will be up 100% of the time for BM hunters, coupled with a few other damage % bonuses it has the chance to be very nice for them.

Any one on the PTR have any comments? Or anyone in general have any comments?

#2 Oct 26 2009 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good

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It won't help BM catch up to SV and MM.
Wait for what stats will carry over to pets in 3.3 (If any, blizzard is bad at fulfilling promises to hunters), that could possibly help BM catch up.
But just this change is not going to give BM 1k more dps than MM/SV.

#3 Oct 26 2009 at 10:20 PM Rating: Default

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Made my off spec MM 11/53/7, its pretty ownzer, less dps than my survival build but more damage done on 1 mana bar.

#4 Oct 27 2009 at 1:35 AM Rating: Good

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Spot the flaw.

You spend 4 points in BM for aspect mastery, aspect mastery gives 90 AP.
It's pretty damn weak.

#5 Nov 02 2009 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good

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Has anyone found a way to quantify damage reduction against dps yet?

Aspect Mastery does give a 5% damage reduction while in Dragonhawk. Maybe damage reduction is irrelevant if your healer is on the ball, so yeah, it is pretty weak in that sense, at least if you are talking Raid.

#6 Nov 03 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent

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I am trying to level up my alt Hunter so i can start raiding with him (my main is a DK) I am at level 72 with a MM build. Today I have pretty much convinced my self to dual spec and have MM (main spec, for raiding) and BM (to level and farm). Is this a good idea?

#7 Nov 03 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent

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Chatak wrote:

I am trying to level up my alt Hunter so i can start raiding with him (my main is a DK) I am at level 72 with a MM build. Today I have pretty much convinced my self to dual spec and have MM (main spec, for raiding) and BM (to level and farm). Is this a good idea?

If you really, really want a BM spec and don't mind spending the gold on it, it should work out great--you'll have the fun spec, and the work spec. It's like a... hunter mullet. Damn.

Questing and leveling isn't too painful with MM, though, so long as you're not planning on soloing anything big and nasty. Just make a pair of macros (one to set your pet as your focus, one to misdirect your focus) and you're all set.

#8 Nov 03 2009 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good

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Every character should have dual spec, always.
As hunter it's simply useful to have a PvE and a PvP spec, or SV/MM for different situations.

Hell, I could fill 6 specs for my hunter at the moment.
Solo BM, PvE SV, PvE MM, PvP MM, PvP SV, PvP BM. >.>

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It can be useful, sure--unless you're on a PvP server or voluntarily PvP a lot, or must have that pretty spirit beast/devilsaur/insane soloing spec, though, it doesn't strike me as a necessity.

I ended up regretting picking up dual-spec on my Night Elf, since I have her on a normal server and she doesn't have (or want) a single BM-only pet. The only time it really came in handy was when I was working on taming the worgen, and had to go to a raid right afterwards. Smiley: tongue

I am thinking about it for my Troll, though, since Ursin is PvP and I actually want to spend more time enjoying that rather than avoiding it, but still want to be able to do well in a raid situation.

#10 Nov 04 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent

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I agree with Aeth, it is something even hunters should have. Farming is pretty nice with BM, and it can double as a BG spec. IF for any other reason, it is also nice to have it to test out variations or new spec builds, without ******** up your tried and true build.

#11 Nov 09 2009 at 8:52 AM Rating: Default

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Aeth I believe your hunter logic is flawed

I've been watching the meters and 27-35% of all MM's damage comes from a hard hitting auto shot.

In the 7/57/7 Build that most MM hunters use the extra points into barrage and improved barrage which increase the damage of aimed shot by a certain percentage. However Aimed shot only makes up for 8-12% of you damage and is no where as helpful as the extra ap you get from aspect mastery that not only helps the 30% of your damage (auto shot) but also helps aimed shot, chimera shot, serpent sting, and arcane shot.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 9:02am by potsoriginal

#12 Nov 09 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good

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Trust me, that extra dps from Aimed shot is more than a measly 90 AP.

I have about 7-7.5k AP in raids, do you honestly think 90 AP is going to give me even 1% dps?

#13 Nov 09 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Default

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I'll run the numbers again Aeth but I ran the numbers and 11/53/7 blows the top off of 7/57/7 on boss fights everytime.

I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong with my spec and glyphs and changed it around to 11/53/7 I got a 200 dps increase right off the bat. Its not just the additional AP from hawk. I run with a wolf so the furious howl,call of the wild, and trushot aura just increase it a nice little bit.

Have u ran MM raiding dps?

#14 Nov 09 2009 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good

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Yes, and if you get 200 dps from 90 AP you're lying your *** off.
Simply because that's impossible.

It gives about 50-60 dps, maybe 70-75 if you're in BiS gear.

#15 Nov 09 2009 at 12:00 PM Rating: Default

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Yes, and if you get 200 dps from 90 AP you're lying your *** off.
Simply because that's impossible.

It gives about 50-60 dps, maybe 70-75 if you're in BiS gear.

My friend who raids MM (Only not on these forums that I consider knowledgeable about the class.) broke MM down for me. He explained why I was falling so far behind him on boss fights in my 7/57/7 build. Which was wierd because survival I would b right there equal to him or right under him. He explained how to improve my spec and my shot rotation. I went from hitting 3.2k on a dummy no buffs to 3.4k

I'll hit up the dummy tonight and SS it for you, I telling you aspect mastery makes a big difference along with the 2% additional all damage.

I don't know if you have checked out my hunter but its Dietoliveko on Shu'Halo. I'm not sure what BiS gear is but I think she is pretty well geared.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 12:03pm by potsoriginal

#16 Nov 09 2009 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good

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Dummy dps is completely and utterly irrelevant.
And the 2% dps is in all MM specs, hence 7/57/7.

I'm assuming this is you.
So This is what you look like now under optimal circumstances.

1: You are 125 hitrating OVER hitcap, even if you for some reason don't have a draenei in your raids you are still almost 100 rating over cap.
2: Your gemming is a mess.
3: your spec and glyphs are as much of a mess.

I don't know the content of your bags/bank so I can't switch around gear and all I did was equip you with the emblem gloves. (which shouldn't take you long to get if you don't have them yet)
So this is what I end with if I fix you up.

Your current setup: 6466.24 dps.
Your setup+fixed spec: 6767.48 dps. (link here)
My setup+spec etc: 6921.05 dps.

Edit: BiS = Best in Slot, or the best piece of gear you can get for that slot.
Right now, that's pretty much all 258 gear.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 7:44pm by Aethien

#17 Nov 09 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Default

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Dummy dps is completely and utterly irrelevant.
And the 2% dps is in all MM specs, hence 7/57/7.

I'm assuming this is you.
So This is what you look like now under optimal circumstances.

1: You are 125 hitrating OVER hitcap, even if you for some reason don't have a draenei in your raids you are still almost 100 rating over cap.
2: Your gemming is a mess.
3: your spec and glyphs are as much of a mess.

I don't know the content of your bags/bank so I can't switch around gear and all I did was equip you with the emblem gloves. (which shouldn't take you long to get if you don't have them yet)
So this is what I end with if I fix you up.

Your current setup: 6466.24 dps.
Your setup+fixed spec: 6767.48 dps. (link here)
My setup+spec etc: 6921.05 dps.

Edit: BiS = Best in Slot, or the best piece of gear you can get for that slot.
Right now, that's pretty much all 258 gear.

Lol yeah, I pug ulduar a lot, because I tank it on my paladin for our guild, so I have a gear score fluff set and a raiding dps set. Notice the 95 hit rating trinket :P

I actually replace my 219 trinket with a 200 trinket, I replace the 226 gloves with 219 tier gloves, I replace my dual wielding weapons with a 219 FD staff. I am gemmed for SV. My MM spec is just for fun.

I am 355 hit rating with out any enchants or gems for it, I get 100% of it from 30+ hit from this piece and 40+ hit from this piece. I was at 501 but thats when it got 100% ridiculous and I cut it down. However, I am just trying to improve my character so now lets hypothetically start talking as if we're looking at my SV spec, what would point out is the first thing wrong with my gems?

(Besides them not being epic :P)

#18 Nov 09 2009 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good

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You need exactly 230 hit rating.
Nothing more, nothing less.

230 = 7% +1% from draenei (which you have even in a 10 man) = hitcap.

And your SV spec/glyphs suffer from the same problems as your MM spec.
Just go read the stickies, go read ElitistJerks and figure it out.
It's not extremely complicated to figure out what to gem/spec/glyph with so many sources of info readily available.

#19 Nov 09 2009 at 1:26 PM Rating: Default

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I know the hit cap, I cry every night in the corner about it. :(

#20 Nov 10 2009 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good

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Then do something about it.
Gear is everywhere and anything but hard to get.

And please use the site I linked instead of relying on your friend who doesn't know what he's talking about.

#21 Nov 10 2009 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent

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potsoriginal wrote:

However, I am just trying to improve my character so now lets hypothetically start talking as if we're looking at my SV spec, what would point out is the first thing wrong with my gems?

(Besides them not being epic :P)

Hrm.. I can't look at your armory at work but I will say this, if you are so awesomely hit-capped then gemming for SV is a no brainer, AGI. I gem for Agi and only have the gree crit/stam gem to activate my meta.

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