Okay so I've just started healing on my paladin (If you want to see my gear you can check out wowheroes server is kilrogg name is vakili--thats about the only useful thing on that site IMO is the duel spec gear thing)
I've healed all the fights in ulduar and tocc on my priest many times, I know when spike damage is going to hit, I have decent reaction time and good positing.
I keep my beacon and sacred shield up to near 100% as I can. I use my cooldowns and everything pretty efficiently and I haven't had any issues on any fights yet.
That being said the #1 complaint I get from other healers is
"sure he has a lot of healing..but check out his overhealing. "
The other day I did ony 25 and I had something like 30% of the healing done some druid was next and than a much higher geared paladin at like 17%. I only linked the healing meters because the pug took a vote on weather or not I should be allowed in the raid with a gearscore of only 1850. (I get this problem a LOT and it's bothersome to say the least)
Anyway he then links overhealing done and I'm #1 by a WIDE margin, I'm talking like I did 50-60% of the total overhealing. He said "see, we didn't even need most of your heals anyway"
I didn't get any innervates, I used DP 3 or 4 times (mostly during whelp phase) and didn't have any mana problems.
I could see if I was sitting oom half the fight and screaming for druids to help me that there would be a problem with over healing, but i sat at around 15% mana near the end
My thought is, why do people even look at overhealing?
I chalked it up to he was a little upset that he didn't come in well on the healing meters (which half the raid didn't understand even after I told them about how 2 paladin one is going to be much lower due to haste etc)
But does anyone manage their overhealing? I'm interested in other healers thought process’
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The cliche is that if no one dies due to your running out of mana, your overhealing didn't matter. That's true, false, and meaningless all at the same time.
The big problem is that "overhealing" isn't one thing. It's structural - if I have myself, taking no damage, beaconed, and I HL the tank, the beacon copy is 100% overhealing although the copy was entirely incidental. It's predictive - if a druid HoTs the MT to smooth out spikes, and my HL crits her up to full, the HoT becomes all overheal attributed to the druid even though the HoT was there for a good purpose. And it can be indicative of suboptimal spell choice - for most non-hardmode fights there are huge sections, even phases, where HL spam is not necessary. That makes it a bad habit to fall into. Even so, "suboptimal" is different for paladins than other classes, because we only have three spells to choose from, and only one is an instant - we bring an axe to a knife fight. Paladins will overheal. (On the bright side, since the beacon change, pets get a lot more attention than before).
When would I consider overhealing to be potentially a problem?:
- If it's coupled with a low % of effective healing. If I'm one of three healers in a 10-man raid and I'm doing 15% of the total healing, with 80% overheal, that's a problem. The problem might be with me for bad spell choices (or maybe I need to start gearing for more haste). But it might be the priest, sniping my target with smart heals. It might also be the raid organizer, for bringing one too many healers for our gear level, and I should switch to Ret for this fight (or we should be pressing the red button to switch to hardmode). Or maybe we should switch to at least vague healing assignments instead of a free-for-all.
- If it's causing mana concerns on a non-progression fight. Sure, I can handle it now - we won, didn't we? But what happens in hardmode? If I end Jaraxxus with 300 mana, can I last through Anub? Did I DP on cooldown on this fight where the whelps give me breathing room I might not have when it's portals and mistresses?
Paladins are mana fire-hoses. As long as we have the spigot somewhat under control, we're doing as good as we can under the circumstances.
The big problem is that "overhealing" isn't one thing. It's structural - if I have myself, taking no damage, beaconed, and I HL the tank, the beacon copy is 100% overhealing although the copy was entirely incidental. It's predictive - if a druid HoTs the MT to smooth out spikes, and my HL crits her up to full, the HoT becomes all overheal attributed to the druid even though the HoT was there for a good purpose. And it can be indicative of suboptimal spell choice - for most non-hardmode fights there are huge sections, even phases, where HL spam is not necessary. That makes it a bad habit to fall into. Even so, "suboptimal" is different for paladins than other classes, because we only have three spells to choose from, and only one is an instant - we bring an axe to a knife fight. Paladins will overheal. (On the bright side, since the beacon change, pets get a lot more attention than before).
When would I consider overhealing to be potentially a problem?:
- If it's coupled with a low % of effective healing. If I'm one of three healers in a 10-man raid and I'm doing 15% of the total healing, with 80% overheal, that's a problem. The problem might be with me for bad spell choices (or maybe I need to start gearing for more haste). But it might be the priest, sniping my target with smart heals. It might also be the raid organizer, for bringing one too many healers for our gear level, and I should switch to Ret for this fight (or we should be pressing the red button to switch to hardmode). Or maybe we should switch to at least vague healing assignments instead of a free-for-all.
- If it's causing mana concerns on a non-progression fight. Sure, I can handle it now - we won, didn't we? But what happens in hardmode? If I end Jaraxxus with 300 mana, can I last through Anub? Did I DP on cooldown on this fight where the whelps give me breathing room I might not have when it's portals and mistresses?
Paladins are mana fire-hoses. As long as we have the spigot somewhat under control, we're doing as good as we can under the circumstances.
If you judged light you will most likely always show a ton of overhealing. I'm of the school of "Who cares" if no one that you were assigned to died and you did not Oom. Pallies tend to overheal by design with beacon and JoL.
But like EL said there are times when you want to learn to be conservative. However that can get people in trouble too, So much of raid boss damage is so spikey and huge that if you are not preloading big heals sometimes becuase your worried some druid with sour grapes will whine about the meter then your tank will die before you can react.
Just play and do a good job and let the meter maids obsess over their numbers.
But like EL said there are times when you want to learn to be conservative. However that can get people in trouble too, So much of raid boss damage is so spikey and huge that if you are not preloading big heals sometimes becuase your worried some druid with sour grapes will whine about the meter then your tank will die before you can react.
Just play and do a good job and let the meter maids obsess over their numbers.
If your assignment was kept up and you didn't have mana problems, I really don't see why the meter would matter anyway. I understand you wanted to prove that you weren't being carried and it sounds like you weren't. As far as overhealing, Paladin will usually be at the top anyway, just due to the nature of our heals.
You can try to be more efficient, using FoL instead of Holy Light, direct healing the beacon if no one else needs healed and letting the HoT tick, but overhealing should be the last of your worries. Also, with the latest beacon change, all heals, not just effective heals, get added to the beacon, which could increase your overheals by a significant amount. I would recommend looking more closely at your heals (effective and over) and see where most of both come from. That will give you a more accurate idea of how to be a more efficient healer.
You can try to be more efficient, using FoL instead of Holy Light, direct healing the beacon if no one else needs healed and letting the HoT tick, but overhealing should be the last of your worries. Also, with the latest beacon change, all heals, not just effective heals, get added to the beacon, which could increase your overheals by a significant amount. I would recommend looking more closely at your heals (effective and over) and see where most of both come from. That will give you a more accurate idea of how to be a more efficient healer.
People will care less when you never link meters or brag about your healing to begin with.
Just go in, heal, if someone links meters and some bitter healer responds with overhealing meters, ignore it all.
You said you have a problem with people in raids complaining about your gear score, which leads to these arguments. Simple answer, improve your gear score, stop running content so far above your head. My rogue alt has a 2250 gear score with so much room for improvement just from running heroics and buying upgrades from badges. Yes you can do it, you can even top meters doing it, but who cares? Why the obsession in the first place? If you choose to run content above your gear level then go in knowing these sorts of disputes will happen, it comes with the territory.
Just go in, heal, if someone links meters and some bitter healer responds with overhealing meters, ignore it all.
You said you have a problem with people in raids complaining about your gear score, which leads to these arguments. Simple answer, improve your gear score, stop running content so far above your head. My rogue alt has a 2250 gear score with so much room for improvement just from running heroics and buying upgrades from badges. Yes you can do it, you can even top meters doing it, but who cares? Why the obsession in the first place? If you choose to run content above your gear level then go in knowing these sorts of disputes will happen, it comes with the territory.
If you have Glyph of Holy Light you are going to have high overheal numbers in any fight that doesn't do a lot of AOE, and that is plenty of them. Every cast of HL will give you 10% of its value in OH for every player in range of the spill-over heals. And you should have GoHL. This on top of the overheals any healer naturally gets as they proactively toss heals and it's just natural to see high overheal numbers. So unless you're going OOM I agree with your topic title, who cares? :)
If your overhealing is from JoL or Beacon, ignore it. I normally beacon the MT and raid heal, even if in some occasions only the MT is taking damage I still spam heals on myself and heal the MT through Beacon to gain the full benefit of the FoL HoT.
It's only when Holy Light is a large chunk of your overhealing that you should take a look. Are you using HL when an FoL was sufficient?
It's only when Holy Light is a large chunk of your overhealing that you should take a look. Are you using HL when an FoL was sufficient?
What is this gear score i keep hearing about? I'd like to see mine.
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It's how pugs see if people are worth picking up. Generally 2200 is the new "minimum" for anything mediocre.
As for overhealing, I wonder if any REAL bads complain about it during Jaraxxus?
It's how pugs see if people are worth picking up. Generally 2200 is the new "minimum" for anything mediocre.
As for overhealing, I wonder if any REAL bads complain about it during Jaraxxus?
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