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#1 Oct 07 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderhorn&n=Erikk

Hi been running toc normal now doing heroics, also got a few emblem pieces but still not getting my dps much past 1.5k embarrassing to say the least. I know it is my rotation but when boss fighting i get all fingers and thumbs and after a few mins loose it completly. I normally start Mangle, rake, savage roar, mangle to 5 points rip if boss still healthy if not F bite. Any advice on my gear but especially a way or system that will help me to maintain some resemblence of a rotation would be very much appreciatted.

P.S when it is a boss that i can keep behind i use shred to 5 instead of mangle

Thanks
#2 Oct 07 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not high enough on my druid to tell you, but from experience, I think that a lot of people over estimate their DPS when talking on boards like this. Yes, right out of the gates you can throw up some big numbers, but some of the claims that I've read recently are kind of questionable...

Socket the belt. Look to replace your two blues and 1 green.

Someone else can help you with the finer points.
#3 Oct 07 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gearing and spec look pretty good to a off-off-spec kitty. Nice haul for only 50ish badges collected. :)

Kitty DPS will suffer a bit on anything that dies in under 90 seconds, unfortunately this means poor DPS in most heriocs.

Rotation practice is essential to good DPS, spend a few hours on the dummy till its all muscle memory, it's amazing how much this can increase your DPS if you are still learning! :)

As for rotation I'll quote the ever-wise druidsock (there's some good info in the Druid 202 sticky!):

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The first step now is to FFF, then Mangle to get a CP then immediately pop SR. Next get Rake going. Now you either Shred or Mangle to generate CPs all while keeping up the assorted buffs and debuffs while not standing in the fire or other assorted raid damage.

The general priority system is as follows:

* Is Faerie Fire up, if not FFF
* Is Rake up, if not Rake
* Is Mangle up, if not Mangle
* Is Savage Roar up, if not Savage Roar (try and always refresh with a 5CP)
* Is Rip up, if not get to 5CP and Rip (always Rip with 5CP if possible)
* Otherwise Shred or Mangle



The abilities Tiger's Fury (TF) and Berserk can greatly aid in this. TF will give you 60 energy when you use it, which is great. It should be used when ever you are below 35 energy. Berserk usage is almost counter intuitive. You would think use it in a low energy situation. That is wrong. You gain more DPS when you blow it with a high energy level as it roughly has the effect of doubling your current energy. Also you can't TF when under the affect of Berserk.

Confused? I thought so. It takes practice to get the system down. Even more to get good at it. Once you get really good at it you can start weaving in FB when in a situation with surplus CPs and long timers left on your buffs/debuffs.


There are others here that know kitty much better than myself, so take everything I say with a grain of salt, hopefully they'll chime in. ;-)


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#4 Oct 07 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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My Druid is still a baby, so I can't help you on rotation, but when you say 1.5k do you mean on bosses, or overall? For overall DPS I'd say that's doing pretty well for minimal-AoE melee. :)

Since you're a Leatherworker, get those bracers enchanted--Arctic Furs aren't cheap, but it's a nice boost to AP, and since you're a skinner you can farm it up yourself.
#5 Oct 07 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow that Druidsock guy knows his stuff.

Euorarmory is down so asides from the rotation guide line posted all ready I can do nothing but +1.
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#6 Oct 07 2009 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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Gear looks to be on the right track. Focus on emblems get that 2 piece t8 and t7 going for ya. As for rotation DL an addon like "Bad kitty" or "Feral by night" and spend a few hours practicing either on a dummy or in a Naxx run. Feral Rotation is pretty tough to keep going perfectly, especially with low crit. Just keep working on your gear and everything else should fall into place.
#7 Oct 07 2009 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm in tank gear right now I think, but I'll log in my dps gear later so you can reference.

I typically run 4.4k self buffed on a target dummy over a 5 minute period.

Druids are buff whores. Might, Kings, Strength of Earth Totem, Windfury, etc.... I am typically well over 6k, sometimes at 7k buffed in 25's. If you don't have the right group comp, it'll feel like you aren't even buffed.

Alright, your gear looks awesome for being a new druid. ToC is a loot pinada for new 80's. Your gemming looks good, although you want straight agility in the gloves as the socket bonus is no good to you unless you're using the same gloves to tank. Also need chant on boots, I understand not chanting the bracers or chest as they're still blue lower level pieces.

Rotation wise - Trash - 3 or more mobs - FFF on the way in, Mangle, Rake, Savage roar, swipe, pause, swipe, Tiger's Fury, Swipe, Swipe, keep up SR and continue swiping. Make sure that as the mob you are on dies, FFF as your energy regens to get the extra debuff on the new target. You should see significant increase in dps using this method. I am typically top 3 on trash pulls of 3 or more.

Bosses - Use Berserk Offensively!

Obviously you have to know your tank and understand how hard you can put their threat, but my rotation on boss fights goes as such.

FFF on the way in, Mangle, Rake, Savage Roar, Shred, Tiger's Fury, Berserk, Shred to 5cp, Rip, Shred to 5cp, SR, Shred till Berserk runs out, refresh rake and mangle, continue to refresh SR and Rip as needed using Tiger's fury when below 35 energy.

Also, if you guys see something that me or Horse or Arex or someone says that's an update to something on the druidsock sticky, let us know. Sometimes we forget to update it :P

EDIT: Just checked, I'm in DPS gear, Weapon is Typically 10 man regular Fordragon Blades with Berserking. (Still have one gem in headpiece that's not switched back to agility atm)

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 3:08pm by Galenmoon

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 3:22pm by Galenmoon
#8 Oct 07 2009 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
Mangle first dood, Rake's initial hit is bleed damage too and thus multiplied by the Mangle bonus.
#9 Oct 07 2009 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Spec is good, but you have an odd mix of spell power and melee gear equipped. Spell power doesn't help any feral abilities, so the first thing you should do is get some melee gear for all your slots.

As for your rotation, you should only use mangle if the mangle debuff falls off, or you can't get into position to use Shred.

If you need to simplify our rotation until you get more practice, you can do something like this.

Faerie Fire > Mangle > Rake > Savage Roar

Shred until 5 CP > Rip

Use Tiger's Fury every time it's off CD and you're low on energy.

You'll probably end up clipping SR and Rip, and Rake will fall off. From here, start watching (or get an add-on to watch) the debuffs you put up. When Mangle has a couple seconds left, use that next. If Rake runs out,use that. If your Savage Roar buff is almost out, use that, even if you have less than 5 CP.

Also, you don't have to hit an ability every GCD. If you see you need to refresh SR or a debuff soon, let your energy tick up (just not to 100).
#10 Oct 07 2009 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
Also, you don't have to hit an ability every GCD. If you see you need to refresh SR or a debuff soon, let your energy tick up (just not to 100).


This is some of the best advice.
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#11 Oct 07 2009 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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Typo ftw.... Yes, Mangle before rake for the above mentioned reason.

And pooling energy is clutch as long as you don't let it hit 100 you're golden. It's not wasted till that point.
#12 Oct 08 2009 at 4:27 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks for all the advice i shall go and practice foe a bit, my original link to armoury i had all feral gear but when not in cat form i have mainly healer gear, must of logged off last time out of cat, but thanks for all advice
#13 Oct 13 2009 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Galen... your post hurt my eyes lol

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Rotation practice is essential to good DPS, spend a few hours on the dummy till its all muscle memory, it's amazing how much this can increase your DPS if you are still learning! :)


this I will vouch for as I recently respecced into feral kitty offspecc and after glyphing up took my DPS from 1.4k to 2.1k just from about 20-30 min of practice unbuffed. Granted I couldn't use my hands for like 5 min since my hands felt like a epileptic at an Amsterdam rave but meh it's the price you pay for greatness.
#14 Oct 13 2009 at 5:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Badkitty ftw. Look for it on curse.
#15 Oct 14 2009 at 2:46 AM Rating: Good
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
Badkitty ftw. Look for it on curse.


I like BadKitty the best. It doesn't give suggestions like FbN. It is just timers.

I like to make decisions based on the timers.

I don't want an addon telling me what to do.
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#16 Oct 14 2009 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
You do know you can turn of the suggestion frame? Then you just have the bars that monitor your cooldowns & buff/debuff durations.

I must admit, I do use the suggestion frame a bit (without following it blindly) as when I miss an attack (not expertise capped atm) it is easy to not realise for a bit and lose uptime. I can certainly understand preferring not to use it though :)

#17 Oct 15 2009 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Friar Rarebeast wrote:
You do know you can turn of the suggestion frame? Then you just have the bars that monitor your cooldowns & buff/debuff durations


Nice idea to just have those bars if you are struggling for screen space...although screen space shouldn't really be a prob for a kitty.
#18 Oct 16 2009 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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I have lots of screen. It lets me attack stuff so I can kill it till its dead.
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