Ok, I realize it's no earthshaper, or whatever the best weapon is for a ret pally, but it's always fun to pick up a new piece of good gear. Especially since my schedule prevents me from raiding.
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Got my titansteel destroyer todayFollow
Just wanted to say congrats on the sweet weap. I loved that Weapong from the day I ding'd 80 until 3.2 hit and I got Edge of Ruin.
I suggest not putting Berserking on it, but run HToC until you get Edge of Ruin (when you are adequately geared for it) for Berserking.
Much congrats though, it's a fantastic weapon.
I suggest not putting Berserking on it, but run HToC until you get Edge of Ruin (when you are adequately geared for it) for Berserking.
Much congrats though, it's a fantastic weapon.
Not wishing to rain on your parade, well not too much, but I hope you didn't spend too much money as the Edge of Ruin is really easy to get.
Don't get me wrong, as a BS I'm not advocating everyone to do this, please, buy my destroyers
Don't get me wrong, as a BS I'm not advocating everyone to do this, please, buy my destroyers
I got an Edge of Ruin recently too, but Heroic ToC is no walk in the park if you're not into raiding and you have a casual schedule.
You need a decent amount of gear to really do the place and do it right; you'd have to do several heroics first unless you want someone to carry you through it. and even then you have no guarantees the stupid thing will drop; you only get 1 shot per day at it and I've done like 10 of them and saw 1 Edge.
The Destroyer is still a very good weapon for a starting Ret Paladin, though, the Argent Tourney sword is almost as good. I didn't buy one for my paladin, because I hit 80 way before the AT came out. And my other alts, I used their seals to buy BoAs once they got Crusader title.
You need a decent amount of gear to really do the place and do it right; you'd have to do several heroics first unless you want someone to carry you through it. and even then you have no guarantees the stupid thing will drop; you only get 1 shot per day at it and I've done like 10 of them and saw 1 Edge.
The Destroyer is still a very good weapon for a starting Ret Paladin, though, the Argent Tourney sword is almost as good. I didn't buy one for my paladin, because I hit 80 way before the AT came out. And my other alts, I used their seals to buy BoAs once they got Crusader title.
The item really should be blue, but grats.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
bodhisattva wrote:
The item really should be blue, but grats.
I disagree there, it's better than any weapon up until Uld(KT's Axe is arguable). Look at any Titansteel, ToC replaces all of it by now.
SarionBelmont wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
The item really should be blue, but grats.
I disagree there, it's better than any weapon up until Uld(KT's Axe is arguable). Look at any Titansteel, ToC replaces all of it by now.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
186.5 vs 222.9. Feel free to check bis slot lists KT's axe is about 146dps more than Titansteel. That random number needs to be put into perspective by stating that Lothars Edge from 10 man hardmode Tribute chest (ILevel 245) is about 190dps over Betrayer.
See what I did there, I used my general but competent knowledge of my off, off spec to point out that you had made a statement that was erroneous and ignorant of basic itemization for ret paladins. Wasn't that neat?
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
You're right about KT's axe being an upgrade, but you're off base when you say, "It should have been a blue." Compare the Titansteel Destroyer to any blue 2H weapon of the same ilvl. It's a definite step up.
OP grats on your weapon, and good luck with drops in heroic ToC. :)
OP grats on your weapon, and good luck with drops in heroic ToC. :)
bodhisattva wrote:
The item really should be blue, but grats.
I agree, but only because it would be much cheaper to acquire then. A blue BOE with those stats would be nice.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
bodhisattva wrote:
SarionBelmont wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
The item really should be blue, but grats.
I disagree there, it's better than any weapon up until Uld(KT's Axe is arguable). Look at any Titansteel, ToC replaces all of it by now.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
186.5 vs 222.9. Feel free to check bis slot lists KT's axe is about 146dps more than Titansteel. That random number needs to be put into perspective by stating that Lothars Edge from 10 man hardmode Tribute chest (ILevel 245) is about 190dps over Betrayer.
See what I did there, I used my general but competent knowledge of my off, off spec to point out that you had made a statement that was erroneous and ignorant of basic itemization for ret paladins. Wasn't that neat?
Well actually those of us who don't like to live in a raid, would disagree. I personally was NOT willing to run Naxx25(5+ hours in PuGs, if they even got that far) for a small chance vs every other plate DPS for a small chance for it to drop.
It's this thing called "perspective". Is it an upgrade WORTH pursuing? No. No one should run Naxx when you can go RIGHT to Uld with badge gear. So that's me using my RL spec to realize wasting time isn't worth the upgrade.
A normal entry level raid guild should be able to clear Naxx in 3-4 hours over 1-2 nights. So take an hour clear a wing, take smoke break, come back clear the next. Come back the next day and finish off the rest.
5 hours is really only acceptable if it is an extremely poorly organized trade chat pug made up of newly leveled 80's and the dregs of the worst raiders on the server. Such as yourself /wink. We also can't be ignoring the fact that from either Naxx or H:ToC there are a number of direct upgrades that beat out the Titansteel Destroyer or are at least slightly better than it. I believe there are 2-3 upgrades in Naxx 25 that beat it if I recall. Also important to note that while I hate Naxx there are a number of pieces (that are not weapons) in 25 man that you don't see replacements for until 25 man Ulduar, which you won't feasibly be making serious progress in with a Titansteel destroyer unless again you are in a middling guild that can carry some dead weight in order to gear them up. Hell my paladin didn't get rid of his Naxx bracers until ToC 25 man, same with the shield (since HM loot tables didn't favour me).
Here's the skinny of it though, it in no way requires massive inputs of RL time, IF you are good at a simple video game, have semi normal socializing skills and can interact with people in game. Like I have stated before I raid at a fairly high level but I probably raid less than people far less advanced than me since we go in down things fairly quickly while telling d'ick and fart jokes or telling stories about banging married women and then get out so we can do our real life thing, since most of us are married, have kids, or have nattering girlfriends who need attending to.
/shrug
Edited, Oct 4th 2009 11:59am by bodhisattva
5 hours is really only acceptable if it is an extremely poorly organized trade chat pug made up of newly leveled 80's and the dregs of the worst raiders on the server. Such as yourself /wink. We also can't be ignoring the fact that from either Naxx or H:ToC there are a number of direct upgrades that beat out the Titansteel Destroyer or are at least slightly better than it. I believe there are 2-3 upgrades in Naxx 25 that beat it if I recall. Also important to note that while I hate Naxx there are a number of pieces (that are not weapons) in 25 man that you don't see replacements for until 25 man Ulduar, which you won't feasibly be making serious progress in with a Titansteel destroyer unless again you are in a middling guild that can carry some dead weight in order to gear them up. Hell my paladin didn't get rid of his Naxx bracers until ToC 25 man, same with the shield (since HM loot tables didn't favour me).
Here's the skinny of it though, it in no way requires massive inputs of RL time, IF you are good at a simple video game, have semi normal socializing skills and can interact with people in game. Like I have stated before I raid at a fairly high level but I probably raid less than people far less advanced than me since we go in down things fairly quickly while telling d'ick and fart jokes or telling stories about banging married women and then get out so we can do our real life thing, since most of us are married, have kids, or have nattering girlfriends who need attending to.
/shrug
Edited, Oct 4th 2009 11:59am by bodhisattva
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Are we talking Naxx10 or 25 here?
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
bodhisattva wrote:
A normal entry level raid guild should be able to clear Naxx in 3-4 hours over 1-2 nights. So take an hour clear a wing, take smoke break, come back clear the next. Come back the next day and finish off the rest.
5 hours is really only acceptable if it is an extremely poorly organized trade chat pug made up of newly leveled 80's and the dregs of the worst raiders on the server. Such as yourself /wink. We also can't be ignoring the fact that from either Naxx or H:ToC there are a number of direct upgrades that beat out the Titansteel Destroyer or are at least slightly better than it. I believe there are 2-3 upgrades in Naxx 25 that beat it if I recall. Also important to note that while I hate Naxx there are a number of pieces (that are not weapons) in 25 man that you don't see replacements for until 25 man Ulduar, which you won't feasibly be making serious progress in with a Titansteel destroyer unless again you are in a middling guild that can carry some dead weight in order to gear them up. Hell my paladin didn't get rid of his Naxx bracers until ToC 25 man, same with the shield (since HM loot tables didn't favour me).
Here's the skinny of it though, it in no way requires massive inputs of RL time, IF you are good at a simple video game, have semi normal socializing skills and can interact with people in game. Like I have stated before I raid at a fairly high level but I probably raid less than people far less advanced than me since we go in down things fairly quickly while telling d'ick and fart jokes or telling stories about banging married women and then get out so we can do our real life thing, since most of us are married, have kids, or have nattering girlfriends who need attending to.
/shrug
Edited, Oct 4th 2009 11:59am by bodhisattva
5 hours is really only acceptable if it is an extremely poorly organized trade chat pug made up of newly leveled 80's and the dregs of the worst raiders on the server. Such as yourself /wink. We also can't be ignoring the fact that from either Naxx or H:ToC there are a number of direct upgrades that beat out the Titansteel Destroyer or are at least slightly better than it. I believe there are 2-3 upgrades in Naxx 25 that beat it if I recall. Also important to note that while I hate Naxx there are a number of pieces (that are not weapons) in 25 man that you don't see replacements for until 25 man Ulduar, which you won't feasibly be making serious progress in with a Titansteel destroyer unless again you are in a middling guild that can carry some dead weight in order to gear them up. Hell my paladin didn't get rid of his Naxx bracers until ToC 25 man, same with the shield (since HM loot tables didn't favour me).
Here's the skinny of it though, it in no way requires massive inputs of RL time, IF you are good at a simple video game, have semi normal socializing skills and can interact with people in game. Like I have stated before I raid at a fairly high level but I probably raid less than people far less advanced than me since we go in down things fairly quickly while telling d'ick and fart jokes or telling stories about banging married women and then get out so we can do our real life thing, since most of us are married, have kids, or have nattering girlfriends who need attending to.
/shrug
Edited, Oct 4th 2009 11:59am by bodhisattva
Yes, there's lots of upgrades in Naxx25, but...
If you DON'T get a Titansteel Destroyer, what ARE you going to use Until you find those upgrades in Naxx?
Please don't tell me you're walking in there with a Saronite Mindcrusher or something stupid, lol.
The Purple Sword from the AT works, but some people don't want to use their Champ Seals on that, if they've got the money for a Destroyer.
A Destroyer is meant to be a BoE item that you can get Pre-Raids so you're not being carried by the other 24 people, lol. Same with Titansteel Helm/Boots, the Titansteel Shield, and the other crafted BoEs.
You have to start -somewhere-, and the Destroyer is a good place to start.
The Edge of Ruin is better, of course. But yet, it doesn't always drop, and H-ToC is not something I enjoy seeing people walk into with blue or (*shudder*) green weapons. I hate getting H-ToC runs where people are doing <1k DPS, because it can be hard to get the champions, let alone confessor or the BK down if people are treating H-ToC like the AH, when they're fresh 80s. It doesn't work like that.
On my DK I ran with Honed Cobalt Cleaver, until I repped with the Ebon Blade Knights then I switched to Runeblade of Demonstrable Power, which was fine until the Edge of Ruin dropped.
As I said, I'm doing myself out of business, but I do not see the point in wasting 1300g on the titansteel destroyer when others are so much cheaper.
As I said, I'm doing myself out of business, but I do not see the point in wasting 1300g on the titansteel destroyer when others are so much cheaper.
Mazra wrote:
Are we talking Naxx10 or 25 here?
25. Betrayer of Humanity only drops from KT in Naxx25.
It's like my Mage, I use the Spectral Kris because I refuse to do Naxx25 for Turning Tide.
Dunno about you but basically NO guild does Naxx, let alone Naxx25, and in a PuG you have to be lucky as hell to make it to KT... let alone get the item you need to drop... let alone beat out the 5+ other people who need it.
SarionBelmont wrote:
Dunno about you but basically NO guild does Naxx, let alone Naxx25, and in a PuG you have to be lucky as hell to make it to KT... let alone get the item you need to drop... let alone beat out the 5+ other people who need it.
There are other reasons to run Naxx (achievements) aside from unlikely drops.
Goggy wrote:
On my DK I ran with Honed Cobalt Cleaver, until I repped with the Ebon Blade Knights then I switched to Runeblade of Demonstrable Power, which was fine until the Edge of Ruin dropped.
As I said, I'm doing myself out of business, but I do not see the point in wasting 1300g on the titansteel destroyer when others are so much cheaper.
As I said, I'm doing myself out of business, but I do not see the point in wasting 1300g on the titansteel destroyer when others are so much cheaper.
Most people have at least 1 mining character that can build the mats, or most of the mats, for the Destroyer.
Oddly enough, the Mats to make the Destroyer tends to be cheaper than the Destroyer itself (8x Titansteel Bar comes to 800-1200g, 2 Frozen orbs are about 60g), and I see Destroyers up for 1,500 commonly.
The Mats aren't really that hard to come by, especially if one is patient with the AH and starts building the mats up before they reach Lv80.
And then you mentioned that Runeblade...
The problem with the Runeblade..
1). No +Strength. It has AP and Agility, that almost makes it seem more like a Hunter weapon, more than a Paladin or even a DK, whom the weapon was supposed to have been made for in the first place. Maybe it is supposed to be a Tanking DK weapon? The Destroyer, on the other hand, gives you a _whopping_ +124 Strength.
2). No +Hit. The Titansteel Destroyer gives you a whopping +54 Hit Rating. In this stage of gearing up, +Hit is going to be one of your priorities that you _really_ shouldn't pass up, if you want to do the kind of DPS that people want you to do. With everyone and their brother running heroics these days for Conquest and Triumph badges, people are a lot less tolerant these days. Given that you don't get an upgrade until H-ToC at the very soonest, it may be a little while until something nice drops for you, Unless you've got a guild willing to carry you through H-ToC and a few other heroics until you can fill some of your other slots with some decent gear.
The point I was trying to make is that you do not have to spend 1.3k gold to get the Titansteel Destroyer. The Runeblade will see you through grinding the Edge of Ruin.
It was probably my best investment as a retri paladin. Since I don't raid (never have nor will, probably...) it was a big jump dps wise. And the hit was just icing on the cake.
But since 3.2 gave us ToC and Edge of Ruin, it's not that great anymore. (Even though RNG can be a PITA and not give you what you want, took me 20 or so runs to even see it drop)
It's still a good weapon for getting into the raid scene but you'll likely replace it with Ruin anyway.
That's what I think anyway. Have fun. :)
But since 3.2 gave us ToC and Edge of Ruin, it's not that great anymore. (Even though RNG can be a PITA and not give you what you want, took me 20 or so runs to even see it drop)
It's still a good weapon for getting into the raid scene but you'll likely replace it with Ruin anyway.
That's what I think anyway. Have fun. :)
vipraxay wrote:
It was probably my best investment as a retri paladin. Since I don't raid (never have nor will, probably...) it was a big jump dps wise. And the hit was just icing on the cake.
But since 3.2 gave us ToC and Edge of Ruin, it's not that great anymore. (Even though RNG can be a PITA and not give you what you want, took me 20 or so runs to even see it drop)
It's still a good weapon for getting into the raid scene but you'll likely replace it with Ruin anyway.
That's what I think anyway. Have fun. :)
But since 3.2 gave us ToC and Edge of Ruin, it's not that great anymore. (Even though RNG can be a PITA and not give you what you want, took me 20 or so runs to even see it drop)
It's still a good weapon for getting into the raid scene but you'll likely replace it with Ruin anyway.
That's what I think anyway. Have fun. :)
This is the reason I just bought mine a couple days ago, for my arms warrior.
I've run 2 H-ToC now, and it hasn't dropped yet. If I hadn't bought it, I'd be doing considerably less DPS, and in my stage of gearing up, the last thing I want to be doing, is LESS DPS because 'you might get the Edge of Ruin from H-ToC!'.
I will use this until I get the EoR; but until I do get it, this weapon benefits me greatly and is worth every copper I put into it.
I thought I'd try an little experiment and see how 'in demand' they are.
I made a Titansteel Destroyer last night, mats cost me 1.35k, it's on for 1.7k, lets see if and how quickly it sells.
I made a Titansteel Destroyer last night, mats cost me 1.35k, it's on for 1.7k, lets see if and how quickly it sells.
Mace or Axe they are both good weapons for anyone starting out. The destroyer has perfect stats but is getting a little outdated now. ArP still sucks but top end damage + all that strength on the axe would make you a sad panda seeing it drop after shelling out the mats for the destroyer.
Grats OP on reaching your first goal. I'm sure it will help your dps until something better comes along. I had it for a solid month and a half before this finally dropped for me.
Edited, Oct 6th 2009 12:16pm by arthoriuss
Grats OP on reaching your first goal. I'm sure it will help your dps until something better comes along. I had it for a solid month and a half before this finally dropped for me.
Edited, Oct 6th 2009 12:16pm by arthoriuss
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It's this thing called "perspective". Is it an upgrade WORTH pursuing? No. No one should run Naxx when you can go RIGHT to Uld with badge gear. So that's me using my RL spec to realize wasting time isn't worth the upgrade.
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If you DON'T get a Titansteel Destroyer, what ARE you going to use Until you find those upgrades in Naxx?
If you're just looking for a purple weapon, prior to decent upgrades, you could consider saving all the unholy amount of money by getting Claymore of the Prophet / Greatsword of the Sin'dorei. Granted, they're worst the the mace, but anyone considering one of those 3 should also be flirting with the idea of getting Edge of Ruin. In my experience, it isn't a very easy drop, but can be done daily and you only compete with 2-3 other people at most (tho you'd be really unlucky to have 3-4 ppl in a H.ToC group that don't have a similar / better weapon). Took me about 2 weeks to get one since I started H.ToCs, and I think that's a reasonable amount of time to stay with a subpar weapon as long as you have a higher goal.
Grats on your Titansteel tho. I just think it's a weapon that you'll be replacing too fast, even for the non Naxx raiders.
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Yes, there's lots of upgrades in Naxx25, but...
But people get retarded when his guild leader isn't on his ***. They unlearn how to do the fights, and even unlearn their basic rotations. Sometimes they even forget to press buttons. Relying on PuGs to gear up is equally retarded. Basically you loose w/e amount of hours that group would waste while stressing yourself and being forced to compete with an unrealistic amount of people who would most definitely snag the next item from you again later. And guess what!? On the following week, IF the weapon drops again, you will have other people competing, since the one on the week b4 most likely won't be on your pug again. It's definitely a wasted and unnecessary amount of effort and trouble, when compared to the gearing alternatives Blizzard gave us.
Best way to go in my opinion is gear up to Ulduar while spamming through heroics, and raid from there. But you probably won't be able to do that with a Titansteel Destroyer, so again, work on that Edge of Ruin as your pre-raid weapon.
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Best way to go in my opinion is gear up to Ulduar while spamming through heroics, and raid from there. But you probably won't be able to do that with a Titansteel Destroyer, so again, work on that Edge of Ruin as your pre-raid weapon.
Titansteel Destroyer is fine for heroics, until the Edge of Ruin drops (and you actually win the damn thing) from H-ToC.
H-ToC is harder than the other heroics, if you advocate stepping in there with a pre-Destroyer weapon (like those purple 2h swords, or worse yet, the KotEB sword), then surely there's nothing wrong with doing the other heroics with the Destroyer.
My main point is that:
1). The Edge of Ruin might take a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks to get. You have to not only get an H-ToC group that doesn't mind someone who is just gearing up, and, the thing has to drop, AND you have to win the roll on it. Just getting it to drop can take several days if you are unlucky with rolls. And please, for the Love of God, don't use the spear. Paladins need +Strength, and the spear has none. Let the hunters and druids use it.
2). Some people want to save champion's seals for something else. My warrior, in fact, is a member of this group. I am saving all of his champion's seals for when he gets his Crusader title, so that he can buy the last few BoAs I need to level my alts. I figure he will have *just enough* Champion's Seals to get them all when he gets Crusader. If I buy the sword that's *worse* than the Destroyer, I will have added another 3-5 days on to the time it takes to get said BoAs. I can get 1200g a hell of a lot quicker than 5 days. So, I chose the 1200g weapon that has superior stats. Given my luck with H-ToC, I will likely be using this weapon for quite awhile.
I can do 2k+ dps in heroics with the BoA axe, a mix of toc reg and a few heroic items. Some leather, some mail...I don't see a problem waiting for ruin to drop
Edited, Oct 6th 2009 10:56am by Smoopie
Edited, Oct 6th 2009 10:56am by Smoopie
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