In Cata,there will elementals and dragons which pallies cant do the same things they did in Vanilla wow/BC/WotLK no undeads/demons swarming all over anymore =O!! Will this be a age of shamans/hunters?I'd bet all of my gold on all of my toons that there will be more shaman RPers than Paladins now.
Please tell if im wrong on the new mobs lol.
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nah.
i relate paladins to mall cops: no matter the scenerio, they both believe in their own righteousness...plus neither of them can wield a gun.
anyhow, i've used Exorcism on a squirrel...there's always evil to vanquished somewhere.
i relate paladins to mall cops: no matter the scenerio, they both believe in their own righteousness...plus neither of them can wield a gun.
anyhow, i've used Exorcism on a squirrel...there's always evil to vanquished somewhere.
I doubt, highly doubt, we've seen the end of demons in this game...
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In Cata,there will elementals and dragons
FYI crusade increases damage against elementals by 6% as well...
I will respond to this when someone tells me WTF the OP is on about?
#6REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 17 2009 at 5:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Paladin, while the lowest DPS and arguably a mediocre Healer will forever be a staple in any expansion.
SarionBelmont wrote:
Paladin, while the lowest DPS and arguably a mediocre Healer will forever be a staple in any expansion.
Mediocre healing? I don't agree with that. In terms of pure HPS, the paladin stands alone.
4.5k DPS is hardly the lowest either.
Goggy wrote:
4.5k DPS is hardly the lowest either.
Seriously. My paladin (dual-spec'd Holy/Ret) does about 25% more damage with similar gear levels (Naxx10/Uld10 levels) than my Shadow Priest does. And does it with less effort.
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Posted: Sep 17 2009 at 9:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) For a mediocre Paladin in heroics sure.
Interesting. On my server, I've never heard any complaints about Paladin healing. Before beacon, sure, but since we got Beacon of Light, we're healing powerhouses.
HoTs are useful, but if the tank takes a big hit and goes to 15% HP, I don't think he's gonna want to want for the HoTs to start rolling to bring him back up.
HoTs are useful, but if the tank takes a big hit and goes to 15% HP, I don't think he's gonna want to want for the HoTs to start rolling to bring him back up.
SarionBelmont wrote:
I have NEVER seen a Ret(even the only other one in guild, who outgears me significantly) break 6k on a raid boss.
Hold on a minute, I thought you said you did 9k on XT 25. Oh yeah, here it is. So which is it? You did 9k or you've NEVER seen a Ret do above 6k?
#13REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 17 2009 at 11:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Okay half-wit, please learn what a gimmick fight is vs a regular one. Sorry I did not specify, I made the mistake of assuming people would have half a brain and actually use common sense.
cool, this thread got hyjacked into the same ole "QQ/epeen/#vs#" as all the others.
i thought the OP had a fun topic for once. The Warcrafts held paladins in a greater light than most other characters. WoW continued the trend by keeping pallies as a strong protagonist from vanilla through LK. pallies got the most stage-time in LK, given the end boss is a former paladin.
now with the new xpac coming and a totally fresh story, new stars are born. lorewise, pallies can now take a rest and make room for others to tell their tales. like the OP mentioned: shammies, hunters, and even warlocks might be the focus this time around. i'll be glad to see less DK NPCs for sure.
i thought the OP had a fun topic for once. The Warcrafts held paladins in a greater light than most other characters. WoW continued the trend by keeping pallies as a strong protagonist from vanilla through LK. pallies got the most stage-time in LK, given the end boss is a former paladin.
now with the new xpac coming and a totally fresh story, new stars are born. lorewise, pallies can now take a rest and make room for others to tell their tales. like the OP mentioned: shammies, hunters, and even warlocks might be the focus this time around. i'll be glad to see less DK NPCs for sure.
I personally think it'll be shammies' time to shine, the emphasis on elementals rather than just the beasts, plants, or such seems to tilt things more toward the Shaman style than Druid, and Hunters and Warlocks both have little enough class flavor that I think they won't ever get to be, as with pallies in BC or Wrath, the "hero class" of an expansion. But who knows, I'd like to be proved wrong on that one!
SarionBelmont wrote:
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Find me a paladin, post SotM/C removal doing 6k plus on a non-gimmick fight.
A paladin with top flight gear, doing Ulduar 25 (+ H) & Trial of the Crusader (+ H) may have the kit to be hitting around 6k, but that's about it. And it is pretty damn good. To compare pure DPS classes and casters in the same field is like apples and orange.
SarionBelmont wrote:
However, ask any group what they prefer. Druid or Pally healer. 9/10 will say Druid because instant cast rolling HoT's are insane.
Druids can roll out ridiculous numbers, but to pull it off to full potential you need to keep track of 4 different hots, 1 of which stacks, 1 of which is more powerful only after reapplication and then you lose the druid's trademark mobility.
Paladins spam 1 ability. Every 30 seconds you re-apply the shield and every 60 seconds Beacon. That's a whole lot less to think about.
Also, I'm glad you've learned to be polite when responding to others.
Edit to say; where the hell did you pull these numbers from anyway? Did you find the magic Blizz spreadsheet that dictates average dps? I tried following the yellow brick road, but all I found was a creepy old man.
Edited, Sep 19th 2009 3:59am by slightlysober
Right whichever **** keeps rating me down in this topic man-up, drop me a PM and tell me why? 
Goggy wrote:
Right whichever **** keeps rating me down in this topic man-up, drop me a PM and tell me why?
FTFY
Edited, Sep 19th 2009 7:44am by slightlysober
Our ret pally easily floats around 6k dps which isn't hateful, sometimes more.
Healing wise Paladins are the bees knees now, in fact in 25 man ToC I am making our Druids work to keep up.
/combating ignorance
Healing wise Paladins are the bees knees now, in fact in 25 man ToC I am making our Druids work to keep up.
/combating ignorance
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
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Posted: Sep 19 2009 at 11:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I did miss that I guess because until this current guild I never had a Pally healer, it was Druid/Shammy/Priest.
I agree in that it does appear to be heading towards a shaman focussed expansion. Arthas, Tirion, Mograine and co have all had their time in the spotlight throughout Wrath. I'll be happy to see Deathknights and Paladins taking a back seat (lorewise) in this next expansion. It seems to be swinging that way too with Thrall becoming a major player, similar to Tirion in Wrath from what info has been fed to us.
bodhisattva wrote:
Our ret pally easily floats around 6k dps which isn't hateful, sometimes more.
Healing wise Paladins are the bees knees now, in fact in 25 man ToC I am making our Druids work to keep up.
/combating ignorance
Healing wise Paladins are the bees knees now, in fact in 25 man ToC I am making our Druids work to keep up.
/combating ignorance
I hit 6.3k in Ulduar 25 yesterday. It reaffirmed my love for ret DPS.
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I have NEVER seen a Ret(even the only other one in guild, who outgears me significantly) break 6k on a raid boss.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/tjf2yxR0Va1Yhmok/sum/damageDone/?s=6681&e=6938
Well check out this log then. Legionn is our best geared ret pally, almost 8300 dps on the fight I linked.
My character a few slots below him, 6.8k, IN MY OFFSPEC(retribution), my main is prot. My gear is pretty much **** compared to other dps mains in the guild but I'm still able to compete.
You'll also notice another pally right below my fiasku, also 6.8k.
Now you can never say that again, and you shouldn't, EVAR.
You do realize you're doing double damage on Twins right? So those numbers aren't really impressive. That'd be like me linking my 10.4k on Hodir(also in offspec gear), while not bad for melee, its a gimmick fight as far as dps #s are concerned.
What he said was "raid boss."
What that implies to me is that he's never seen dps that high even on a "gimmick" fight, which just adds to how ludicrous what he said was. Now he has.
All I really wanted to say was unless I'm tanking, I'm usually top 5 or so dps, regardless of the fight.
Now that ToC has come the gap between me and mainspec dps seems to be widening, but I'm still able to compete, and I'm happy with that.
Edited, Sep 21st 2009 3:04pm by djzombie
Edited, Sep 21st 2009 3:04pm by djzombie
What that implies to me is that he's never seen dps that high even on a "gimmick" fight, which just adds to how ludicrous what he said was. Now he has.
All I really wanted to say was unless I'm tanking, I'm usually top 5 or so dps, regardless of the fight.
Now that ToC has come the gap between me and mainspec dps seems to be widening, but I'm still able to compete, and I'm happy with that.
Edited, Sep 21st 2009 3:04pm by djzombie
Edited, Sep 21st 2009 3:04pm by djzombie
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