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#1 Sep 14 2009 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
So, i haven't played my pally since WOTLK came out. I've been focusing on other things, but i've decided to pick back up again. That being said i notice a lot has changed since outland days and I have a few questions.

First, my pally has pretty good tanking/healing gear from Karazhan/Gruul. I used to MT and heal through Kara all the time. That being said I'm wondering what kind of dual spec to use as i level to 80.

On my server (as on most i assume) there is always a high demand for healers and tanks and i have the gear to run the northrend early dungeons as either if i'm specced (obviously) my question however is the viability of solo pve questing.

I've always heard that ret is the fastest solo questing build for paly. But with the changes to the prot tree i'm wondering if its a viable questing spec or if its basically still a "round em up and aoe them down" spec? With the changes in experience from quests/mobs i hear aoe grinding is not what it used to be. Also, when i leveled 60-70 i could heal almost all normal instances as ret in healing gear.. is this still an option in northrend? If so i was thinking dual speccing prot/ret (since tanking pretty much always required the spec for it) and possibly picking up some helpful talents to assist with healing..

My second option would be to dual spec prot and holy, but only if soloing as prot is efficient enough. Or possible ret and holy if it would be possible to tank as ret?

I'm basicaly aiming for a dual spec combo that will make me competitive for 70-80 normal instances. Since there aren't many groups for them, unless there is a healer/tank available. But still allow me to lvl easily.. If I have to I suppose i can pick either prot OR holy, but i'd like to do both if possible.

Any advice?

Oh also.. on a side note is SP no longer necessary for Pally tanking? I think i have roughly 660SP in tank gear/spec and i'm using a SP mace with a SP enchant. From what i've read though everyone seems to be going AP/Str enchants and more taditional tank stats on the 1h weap... just wondering if the whole SP tank mechanics have changed....
#2 Sep 14 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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Chaosmikey wrote:
With the changes in experience from quests/mobs i hear aoe grinding is not what it used to be. Also, when i leveled 60-70 i could heal almost all normal instances as ret in healing gear.. is this still an option in northrend? If so i was thinking dual speccing prot/ret (since tanking pretty much always required the spec for it) and possibly picking up some helpful talents to assist with healing..


Firstly, the leveling changes don't affect your character after 70. They're only in place to make getting TO Northrend faster, so that's a non issue for you. Also, I'm sure that you can probably do fine healing normal dungeons as a Ret spec, but I must ask if you have any Ret gear to go with your already mentioned Prot/Holy gear? If the answer is no, then why have a Ret spec? Prot gear with a Ret spec isn't going to be nearly as good as Prot gear with a Prot spec when soloing, and Ret healing won't be as good as Holy healing, so I'd say only take a Ret spec if you actually have Ret gear.

You also may have a tough time convincing groups that you can indeed heal if not specced for healing, although with the shortage of healers it may be a little bit easier.

Chaosmikey wrote:
My second option would be to dual spec prot and holy, but only if soloing as prot is efficient enough. Or possible ret and holy if it would be possible to tank as ret?


I was close to the same boat you are in with regards to my gear going through NR (Kara/Badge/ZA/a few T5 items), and I went back in forth between Prot and Ret as I leveled, so I had the opportunity to tank a few instances as Ret spec, but I had a decent Ret kit for when I was that spec. Again, if you do have Ret gear, then I'd say that's a viable option. If not, I don't see the point.

Prot leveling is just fine, albeit a little slower for some things, but the changes to tank damage have made it a much more viable option than it used to be.

EDIT here: cause I forgot 1 thing I wanted to say, lol. There wasn't a single quest while leveling that I was unable to complete as Prot, or even Ret spec with my Prot gear on, but there were definitely some that gave me trouble when trying with my Ret spec in Ret gear.

Chaosmikey wrote:
Oh also.. on a side note is SP no longer necessary for Pally tanking? I think i have roughly 660SP in tank gear/spec and i'm using a SP mace with a SP enchant. From what i've read though everyone seems to be going AP/Str enchants and more taditional tank stats on the 1h weap... just wondering if the whole SP tank mechanics have changed....


Yes, and no. Paladins still rely on SP to tank, just don't need any from gear anymore. The Prot talent Touched By the Light currently gives 10/20/30% of stamina as SP, but soon with give 20/40/60% of our strength as SP, and that alone (with applicable raid buffs obviously) is plenty of SP to tank effectively.

Also, as you seem to know already, we get a lot more use out of strength now than before. Our spells now scale with AP and SP (are there any that don't? I don't remember ...) and BV was buffed (although still not "OMW GREAT"). You'll want to find a nice tanking weapon for 1) the stats beign more appropriate and 2) better damage from melee/Hammer of the Righteous. Since HotR scales with weapon DPS, and SP weapons have notoriously low DPS, they just aren't that great anymore. Same with enchants, you'll get a lot more out of actual tanking enchants then any SP enchants. BC Potency, Mongoose, Accuracy, or if you want to go spendy Blade Ward or Blood Draining are pretty much the best enchants for your weapon, and obviously stats, stamina, or defense for others.

TL;DR - I'd go Prot/Holy if you like those 2 roles unless you have a Ret kit, then I think you'd be fine with Prot/Ret for leveling and using the Ret spec to heal. Just, I wouldn't advise taking a Ret spec without Ret gear, it wouldn't be as efficient for just healing/tanking purposes.

Edited, Sep 14th 2009 12:45pm by Maulgak
#3 Sep 14 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks for the advice!

I do have ret gear, albeit my ret gear isn't nearly as good as my holy/prot gear. While in prot or holy i am fully epiced and gemmed and enchanted (which could most likely use gem upgrades since i haven't touched it since WOTLK, and apparently i could use a new 1h tank wep) my ret gear is about half blue/half epic. Not bad for questing really, although i'm assuming i'll pick up new greens pretty quickly.

From what i can tell it seems prot is a bit more viable for questing now so i may try that out and see how well it does. I just dont want to dual spec prot/holy and lock myself into a slow grind to 80. With the right talents it looks like i can heal 2k -4k with FoL, but my mana pool is only 8.3k. So depending on the dps i may oom on boss fights in norm instances. (obviously this would be more if i were specced holy) Wont know until i try though right?
#4 Sep 14 2009 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
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Exactly, won't really know till you try it ;)

As for upgrading to quest greens as you mentioned, it may take longer than you'd think before you start getting good upgrades, particularly for your Ret gear. The gear jump from BC to WotLK is not nearly as big as the gap was between vanilla WoW and BC. I had much of my BC Holy/Ret gear when I hit 80, and a fair amount of my BC Prot gear as well. Your mileage may vary of course, but don't expect to be in full quest greens by the time you leave your first zone like many did in BC.
#5 Sep 15 2009 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
oh i'm familiar with leveling up in northrend. I have an 80 mage (mostly naxx25 uld10 gear) and a new 80 hunter as well (although she's going to be primarily for farming herbs and ore). I just had my pally switched over from alliance azgalor to my main's realm (horde korgath) and so she's been sitting at 70 for quite some time. I know when i was lvling my mage i kept her epic gear almost until 76ish, but my hunters blues i replaced fairly quickly. Maybe within the first few levels. So i dunno. In any case, thanks again for the input.. and i'll let you know how it turns out.
#6 Sep 15 2009 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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So, i haven't played my pally since WOTLK came out.


I guess I left out the bold and assumed you hadn't been through NR at all >.> lol, reading comprehension ftw right? ;)

Anyway, yw for the advice, and hope you have as much fun leveling your Paly as I did :)
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