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As I just hit 79 I'm attempting to plan to switch from a leveling build to a pure DPS build. I noticed that EVERY leading DK on my server has bloodworms. Not to mention all the dps builds at wowpopular.com also seem to have bloodworms religiously. The last time I had done my research bloodworms seemed to be an ugly unwanted talent barely useful for leveling. Could someone explain why these three points are worth it? Is it simply a lack of anywhere better to put them or is there something I'm not considering?
From what I have read they add a bit of DPS (80 I believe) and they also heal a bit as well, I don't see any big reason to not get them.
Bloodworms add about 80-100 DPS and that's more than putting the 3 points in whatever other talent you can get once you've got all the basics. Generally it doesn't really matter whether you take Rune Tap or something similar over Bloodworms, it's just that for pure and raw DPS Bloodworms are a little better.
spending talent points that do damage > spending talent points on things that don't
You have to spend points in the talents somewhere. And in the blood tree, you have to get 'filler' talents to get to Dancing Ruin Weapon. You have to spend 4 talents on either tanking or healing talents. Blood worms are the only talent that are filler, and does some dps.
Like; 32/0/0 You'll see that you must take something to get past this point. Often you'll take bloodworms, because it's extra dps. This gets you to 35/0/0 and you get stuck at 44/0/0 with having to spend another talent point to get over the hump. Your question about Bloodworms isn't as controversial as where to spend this single talent point.
You can get Rune Tap, Mark of Blood, 1/2 Imp Blood Presence, or Vampiric Blood.
And people go into nerd rage inducted epileptic shock over which one you like.
Like; 32/0/0 You'll see that you must take something to get past this point. Often you'll take bloodworms, because it's extra dps. This gets you to 35/0/0 and you get stuck at 44/0/0 with having to spend another talent point to get over the hump. Your question about Bloodworms isn't as controversial as where to spend this single talent point.
You can get Rune Tap, Mark of Blood, 1/2 Imp Blood Presence, or Vampiric Blood.
And people go into nerd rage inducted epileptic shock over which one you like.
What is the rotation you Bloods use?
When I returned a few weeks ago, I respeced Blood and it just seemed so slow to kill things. So I went back to Unholy (a spec I have played a lot in) and stuff just seemed to go smoother, yet I'm told I should go back to Blood.
When I returned a few weeks ago, I respeced Blood and it just seemed so slow to kill things. So I went back to Unholy (a spec I have played a lot in) and stuff just seemed to go smoother, yet I'm told I should go back to Blood.
That's because your sentiment doesn't make sense =P. There's a lot of things true about blood and unholy, but unholy being 'smoother' than blood is one that makes me go O_o whenever I hear it. If blood has one pro it's that it's rotation is extremely smooth due to the simple fact that your main attack only costs 1 rune - you can only use Scourge Strike once in a while and it's easy to do a Heart Strike at virtually any given time.
IT > PS > HS > HS > DS
HS > HS > HS > HS > RP Dump (Death coil)
Depends on if you have epidemic or not for when you reapply IT and PS, but that's pretty much the basics.
Using DRW, Hysteria, Blood Tap and/or ERW are more situational.
HS > HS > HS > HS > RP Dump (Death coil)
Depends on if you have epidemic or not for when you reapply IT and PS, but that's pretty much the basics.
Using DRW, Hysteria, Blood Tap and/or ERW are more situational.
devioususer wrote:
IT > PS > HS > HS > DS
HS > HS > HS > HS > RP Dump (Death coil)
Depends on if you have epidemic or not for when you reapply IT and PS, but that's pretty much the basics.
Using DRW, Hysteria, Blood Tap and/or ERW are more situational.
HS > HS > HS > HS > RP Dump (Death coil)
Depends on if you have epidemic or not for when you reapply IT and PS, but that's pretty much the basics.
Using DRW, Hysteria, Blood Tap and/or ERW are more situational.
I see.
thanks.
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That's because your sentiment doesn't make sense =P. There's a lot of things true about blood and unholy, but unholy being 'smoother' than blood is one that makes me go O_o whenever I hear it. If blood has one pro it's that it's rotation is extremely smooth due to the simple fact that your main attack only costs 1 rune - you can only use Scourge Strike once in a while and it's easy to do a Heart Strike at virtually any given time.
smoother as in stuff died faster. When I was blood, I'd do a rotation (something like the above) and then I was stuck waiting on cool-downs just auto attacking.
with my Unholy build, I'm lucky to get through a full rotation before stuff dies.
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smoother as in stuff died faster. When I was blood, I'd do a rotation (something like the above) and then I was stuck waiting on cool-downs just auto attacking.
Without trying to be a *****, you're doing it wrong. Even if I play with unholy aura up I will never be sitting around waiting for an auto-attack with a blood rotation. As soon as all your runes are on cooldown you can throw 2 DC's to dump your RP and if at that point you still have time left follow it up with a Horn of Winter for additional RP. Unholy (generally) deals more damage in it's main rotation (due to SS), but past that is in fact the spec where you might end up without RP and all your runes on CD every now and then.
If you're leveling, I can see where you're coming from as Unholy simply has better burst damage than Blood. The reason people are telling you to go back to Blood is because Bloodworms and Imp DS. ensure that you can basically pull 5-6 mobs at a time and come out with 100% hp due to your obscene amount of self-healing - and this makes for very effective and fast grinding/questing.
Edited, Sep 14th 2009 8:49pm by Mozared
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Without trying to be a *****, you're doing it wrong. Even if I play with unholy aura up I will never be sitting around waiting for an auto-attack with a blood rotation. As soon as all your runes are on cooldown you can throw 2 DC's to dump your RP and if at that point you still have time left follow it up with a Horn of Winter for additional RP. Unholy (generally) deals more damage in it's main rotation (due to SS), but past that is in fact the spec where you might end up without RP and all your runes on CD every now and then.
If you're leveling, I can see where you're coming from as Unholy simply has better burst damage than Blood. The reason people are telling you to go back to Blood is because Bloodworms and Imp DS. ensure that you can basically pull 5-6 mobs at a time and come out with 100% hp due to your obscene amount of self-healing - and this makes for very effective and fast grinding/questing.
No *********** I know I was doing something wrong, and maybe still am, that is why I went back to Unholy.
I'll ask this here too. There are a few in my guild that say Frost is the spec to go for DPS, and swear by it.
What spec allows this? I took a 4 month break and just came back about 2 weeks ago, and when I left Frost was the better Tank spec not a DPS.
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I don't know of any Frost DK that is able to really compete all that closely with an equally geared/skilled Blood or Unholy DK. Frost just isn't as good as the other two for dps imo. Though I do prefer frost tanking to blood or unholy tanking.
Last time I checked (granted, pre-patch, though the patch has only improved frost [Dual-wielding] DPS) frost was viable for raiding, just barely used. There's a screenshot of Therion topping the meters on Vezax in "The Death Knight Accomplishments Thead", I think, if you want to check it out. I have absolutely no idea on how it works (aside from the fact that you apperantly only use one disease) but I'm there's at least two threads about it lying around on EJ.
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I don't know of any Frost DK that is able to really compete all that closely with an equally geared/skilled Blood or Unholy DK. Frost just isn't as good as the other two for dps imo. Though I do prefer frost tanking to blood or unholy tanking.
This is pretty much my argument to them. Yet they say Frost is the way to go.
I'll check the 2 threads at EJ and see what they say.
Edit: The DW Frost Spec kind of looks fun. I might just have to try it.
Edited, Sep 14th 2009 10:32pm by Sandinmygum
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Well, I'm not saying Frost isn't a viable dps/raiding build at all, I just have never seem frost able to pull the same kind of dps as a blood or unholy. As for it being fun, that's all in the mind of the player :) I love playing blood and will probably always play as that spec even if it became the weakest of the three (unless it was by some huge margin)
I remember when blood was a joke talent tree as far as raiding. It was still fun. I love it personally. Although I can't seem to let go of frost as my tanking build.
So I speced to the DW Frost Build, the 0/53/18 one.
DPS went up a few hundred, I'm DW 2 maces atm and need better gear. I was glad to see DPs went up some and it wasn't a lie.
Rotation is pretty easy, I guess: IT- PS- OB- Dump (FS), OBx?-Dump(FS)
?= however many times you get it off (should be about 3-4). I do HS or BS for more RP.
I can get up to about 1,150 DPS (hover around 900 usually). Not too bad, imo, for being in quested gear.
Edit: Took him into Gundrak and VH today. I was 3rd in DPS, but the other 2 were 80s (A pally and another DK). The other DPSer was a same leveled Survival Hunter. I was able to get up to about 1,500 on bosses with my quested gear.
So not too bad, imo.
Edited, Sep 15th 2009 6:30pm by Sandinmygum
DPS went up a few hundred, I'm DW 2 maces atm and need better gear. I was glad to see DPs went up some and it wasn't a lie.
Rotation is pretty easy, I guess: IT- PS- OB- Dump (FS), OBx?-Dump(FS)
?= however many times you get it off (should be about 3-4). I do HS or BS for more RP.
I can get up to about 1,150 DPS (hover around 900 usually). Not too bad, imo, for being in quested gear.
Edit: Took him into Gundrak and VH today. I was 3rd in DPS, but the other 2 were 80s (A pally and another DK). The other DPSer was a same leveled Survival Hunter. I was able to get up to about 1,500 on bosses with my quested gear.
So not too bad, imo.
Edited, Sep 15th 2009 6:30pm by Sandinmygum
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FAO Sandinmy...
You seem to have a completely useless sigil equipped. If Blood Strike is only part of your rotation if you need more RP, you'd be better off with the Sigil from Grizzly Hills
You seem to have a completely useless sigil equipped. If Blood Strike is only part of your rotation if you need more RP, you'd be better off with the Sigil from Grizzly Hills
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FAO Sandinmy...
You seem to have a completely useless sigil equipped. If Blood Strike is only part of your rotation if you need more RP, you'd be better off with the Sigil from Grizzly Hills
You seem to have a completely useless sigil equipped. If Blood Strike is only part of your rotation if you need more RP, you'd be better off with the Sigil from Grizzly Hills
Yea most of my gear is quested/whatever was given to me in the DK started area.
An updated sigil is much needed.
And uh.. what does FAO stand for? never seen that :O
#21REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 16 2009 at 12:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Theres 2 other ones FYI
#22REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 16 2009 at 12:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I've tried Unholy for tanking,its great for lvl 58-69,frost isnt great anymore,Blood is OP,imp blood,vamparic touch,blood worms does help,ect unholy is better for aoe(tank or dps)Frost eh...better for dps than tanking now days.I'll admit ive seen(after 3.2)some decent frost tanks,but blood seems to do better since 3.1.
#23REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 24 2009 at 5:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i've got a frost spec dk tank but i sometimes have to dps and as i dont have duel spec i had to figure a way of maxing my dps in frost tanking spec i found that unholy presence is really good for this giving it an extra 200 dps (as most my skills use rp or jst aoe direct spell dmg and unholy presence decreases the cooldown on these skills)
I'm not sure what to make of the choice to pick up Mithril Pocket watch. Dks use only a few spells and neither benefits from SP.
#25REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 27 2009 at 9:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't bother with spellpower it wont help even if the spells did get affected.
The only time I don't like them is when they attack a different mob then the one I'm fighting. I'll be like "ok, done. Why am I still in combat?" and I'll turn around and one lonely bloodworm is fighting something 30 feet behind me.
Nothing worth getting mad over, but still annoying.
Nothing worth getting mad over, but still annoying.
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