Are my stats suitable for tanking H-ToC?)Follow

I've run Heroic Trial of the Champion multiple times, but always as DPS. What I'm wondering is, am I geared suitably/is my health high enough to tank it? Here's my armory link, feel free to criticize and suggest!

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Muradin&n=Sveena

For your shoulders, drop the AP gem immediately. Get a Stam gem.

Also, start Hodir, Shoulder Enchants are not optional if you're serious about endgame working.

Enchant the bracers, even if it's just Expertise(don't do 40stam, won't keep em long enough).

Remove BOTH hit gems from your belt, replace with stam gems.

Socket your boots. Since they are nice, use the +10 all stats or a Regal Dreadstone in them for Meta.

Replace your Fezzik's Pocketwatch A S A P with the drop from ToC reg(easy as hell) The Black Heart as you will use this almost forever.

Re-enchant your weapon with Potency or the top Agility Enchant.

You MAY skate by ToC heroic but I personally would put you back to DPS for it. Run Reg until you get the Heart, replace the gems/enchants mentioned and you'll be fine.

Also run H AN for Essence of Gossimar to replace the HoL trinket.

As for your talents, you are half-threat/half-kinda off.

For both Ret AND Prot Seals of the Pure(Holy talent) is really not optional. 15% damage on your main damage output is pretty crucial.

For Prot, try this or this

In your talents you are missing Vindication which is a MASSIVE boost to survivability in that you nerf their AP horrendously. The tooltip is bugged. Also, while 5% crit and 3% damage is decent for threat, 15% SoV damage, and other talents are bigger. You also take Divine Sacrifice, which you can never use. If you use it, you die. If you bubble to not die, raid dies.

In the first spec, you go for Reckoning. You will hear the "boss haste" crap from some people but it's not noticeable honestly. The extra potential multi-hits are very worth it, especially with extra SoV.

The second you go more defensive with Imp Div Sac. This is not for the Sacrifice, but for the 20% damage 100% duration boost of our Shield.

As for Glyphs, drop Shield of Righteousness and pick up Hammer of the Righteous.



And on a side note for Ret, you NEED Seals of the Pure, it is a HUGE DPS loss to not have it. Unless you are PvP for it, in which you are missing a ton of PvP talents anyhow.
Eye for an Eye is worthless, as is Divine Purpose and Seal of Command. This is the overall best Ret spec. Just drop Glyph of Divinity and Crusader strike, neither give you DPS. Pick up Consecration and Exorcism.


Sorry if I came across condescending, NOT my intention. Just trying to give you the best help possible.

Your health (23.5k) is way too low for Heroic ToC (though it's fine for most other heroics). The big thing is that you could improve it so MUCH and so easily.

Let's start with gems and enchants:

• Girdle of the Pallid Knight - Hit gems are a no. Socket two blue +24 stam gems(+6 stamina socketing bonus = +54 stam) for an extra 600 HP.
• Legguards of Abandoned Fealty - Get a +55 stam armor kit ASAP.
• Boots of Heartfelt Repentance - Socket a red +12 stam / 8 dodge gem for 18 stamina (meta requirement). Enchant it for another +22 stam (assuming you have PoJ). Net gain of +40 stamina at a low cost.
• Tempered Titansteel Helm - Get the +37 stam (Argent Crusade revered) helm enchant.
• Pauldrons of the Colossus - Gem for stamina. Seriously. Get a +24 stam gem.

So far we've netted you 210 Stamina just by gemming your current gear properly. We could push that higher, but it involves enchants and gems that frankly aren't worth the money unless you're geared to the teeth and pushing hard as a progression tank. You're not, so go with the cheaper options.

Now, as everyone else said, pick up The Black Heart as quickly as you can for +126 Stamina (from normal ToC). As a bonus, you'll fill out more tanking gear with some ilvl 200 epics in the process. As far as I know, you can run normal ToC 5 times per hour (though it will take longer than 12 min, so you might get in 3 runs per hour), so find a good group to farm it.

With the new trinket, you've now got an addition 336 stamina. With talents though, you'll be up to 383 additional stamina, which adds 3830 HP, plus 115 spellpower. You're now at 27.2k HP, which is a bit low, but probably acceptable for heroic ToC, especially since you give yourself a handy +10% stamina blessing.

Glyphs and talents I agree with what was said earlier.

Final point - when you're running (either as Ret or Prot), Cleansing the tank (if you can spare a GCD -- you can) will often be the difference between a wipe and clearing the encounter (particularly against the rogue in the first encounter and or course against the Black Knight).

Yeah some of the ungemmed items are fairly new, like, within the last 3 days. For some of the others, its just lack of thought, or because I've been on my priest a lot lately :). Keep the advice flowing if you have more!

Pretty good advice on gemmings/chanting and upgrades to pursue, just a couple of things I feel need to be clarified.



Vindication is good for up and coming tanks, may not be necessary depending on your particular raid composition however.

SotP is roughly equal to crusade in terms of tps against no-DUH mobs(demons, undead, humanoids), against DUH mobs Crusade is way better. Although SoTP specs tend to be better for lower gear lvls as the crit+%increase from conviction+crusade tends to scale well with Naxx25+ gear.



Reckoning is still bad, its just not terrible anymore. You're almost always better off going for the stuns(imp HoJ) or Divine Sac+1min Sacred Shields.

Personally I'd go with this for SotP or this for Conviction+Crusade. The 2nd spec is really more of an endgame spec as it only has 1/2 in Spiritual Attunement which can be a pain when running heroics if you can't double/triple pull.

I just want to thank everyone that has posted for the advice they've given. I'm not quite done with gems, and I am almost to revered with AC, but I'm at just a hair over 25k HP unbuffed now. Things are looking up! I fixed my specs, and still have to properly gem my ret gear (Gem for Strength, right?), but all in all, I think I'll see a boost in my performance. Thanks again. I'll be sure to post again when I get lost, again!

Judgements of the Just is 20% slower attacks from bosses and is a pretty huge debuff. And it requires no additional GCDs for us to keep it up 100% of the time. Sure there are other classes that can keep this debuff applied, but it costs kitty druids 3 talent points, warrs need a gcd and rage that could be spent on dps or you need a Frost dk.

Is it 100% necessary? Probably not, especially if you always raid with a prot warr or Frost dk, but if they happen to miss a raid or die midway through its very nice to not have to worry about who can keep up that debuff. Also there really isn't anything better those 2pts could be spent on. This may become more of an issue in 3.2.2 when our threat is nerfed some, but atm 18 pts in ret for crusade or 5 pts in SotP is still better threat than any other tanking class.

Gotta agree with Overlord Norellicus and mahlerite. We are talking about 5man heroics here so you cannot expect to have one of the above classes, specced into their debuff, always available. Being self suffiecient by being specced for Vindication and JotJ is looking out for yourself and ensuring maximun mitigation against all enemies at all times.

Seals of the Pure is a personal preference type talent but for me (who runs with SoWisdom in heroics for mana regen) threat gen isnt a huge issue so I prefer to go deeper into the Ret tree.

If you can get your hands on an avoidance trinket (like the EoH dodge trinket) it will serve you better coupled with The Black heart from normal ToC5 than getting The Essence of the Gossamer stam trinket.

Too many prospective tanks try to gear for HP early on but it doesnt work at lower gear levels. You need avoidance and mitigation to backup your healthpool otherwise you get smashed by heroic trash packs, especially if your healer is geared similarly. Your not tanking Ulduar or ToC10/25 so effective health shouldn't be your highest priority.

Right now your armory is showing you in your Ret set.



Edited, Sep 13th 2009 6:47am by arthoriuss

Congratulations! That's a damn nice trinket.

SarionBelmont wrote:
For both Ret AND Prot Seals of the Pure(Holy talent) is really not optional. 15% damage on your main damage output is pretty crucial.


Um, no. Seals of the Pure isn't mandatory at all. Pally tps is still pretty impressive, and speccing into Crusade increases ALL your damage caused, not just seal damage. I'm not saying it's a bad choice, but it is NOT required at any level of tanking.

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That's true, but how many talent points do you have to spend (waste?) to get into Crusade?

With 5/5 SotP against single targets its not uncommon for SoV or white dam to actually be your #1 dam. ShoR will still usually be your #1 tps, but thats due to modifiers, etc.

*edit - Just checked a wws from 3 weeks ago when i was 4/53/14 and while MT'ing Ignis(pretty strict 969 as there's nothing else to do, well we don't bother killing the adds, so no kiting) the breakdown was 18% white dam, 15% SoV, 14% SoVDoT, 14% HotR, 12% ShoR.

Edited, Sep 17th 2009 11:34pm by mahlerite

Umm I'm looking at a lil over 28k unbuffed, with about 66% avoidance (96% w/ HS up).

I would say you are H ToC ready, but it would be hard/fun.

p.s. You have a parry/stam gem in your boots. Dodge rating>parry rating, even with diminished returns. not a huge deal since you only have that gem for your meta req anyway.

Edited, Sep 18th 2009 1:11pm by holynazzi

How is 20% melee attack speed not worth it in a 25 man? Let alone that it's a passive ability that you don't need to independently keep up (like a warrior would have to do with thunderclap).