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#1 Sep 10 2009 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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Currently using http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40707, but have http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47661 from my ret set. Upon proccing, the difference in block value, for one, was about 30, in favor of the former, but the STR boost from the latter would also boost Hammer of Righteous strikes. When using the latter as ret, it stayed up near 100% for boss fights, so let's assume that 200 (+30 from talents?) STR would be constant. Anyone got a rough idea of the tps difference between the two?
#2 Sep 10 2009 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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The LoO is actually ~457 bv with 3/3 in redoubt and the LoV is ~164 bv and 506 ap with 5/5 divine str and kings. Against a single target the LoV is about 2x more dps/tps, against multiple mobs its significantly more than 2x with a larger % of the damage being increased by ap(HotR, consecration and seal procs/dots).
#3 Sep 11 2009 at 3:21 AM Rating: Good
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You're right about that BV, just tested it out. Last night before I went to bed, i simply removed about 200 STR worth of gear and looked at the block value, but I forgot to notice if the gear had block value already on it in addition. Thanks.
#4 Sep 13 2009 at 12:47 PM Rating: Default
I'm a lover of TPS as much as the next but what on earth are you doing not using Libram of Defiance?

I don't care how geared you are absolutely nothing beats out 200 Dodge at basically all times. Make up the threat with Seals of the Pure, Reckoning, or the Glyph of Judgement.
#5 Sep 13 2009 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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I don't care how geared you are absolutely nothing beats out 200 Dodge at basically all times.

I'm gonna have to disagree. First off I rarely use anything but LoV for farm content now(xt, IC-if tanking the big guy, and vezax hardmodes are the exceptions). Its just so much more threat/dps and is especially great in 5mans where i actively try to deal more damage and take more damage(provided my healer isn't impaired).

Second, LoD absolutely depends on your gear lvl because the 200 dodge from LoD is subject to Diminishing Returns(DR) and will have less and less effect as you upgrade your gear. Its less than 3% dodge fully raid buffed in my stam set and less than 2% fully buffed in my avoidance set. Where as the 200 str isn't subject to DR until you have ~2.4k block value(and the raw ap is never subject to DR).

I don't mean to say that more dodge isn't usually a good thing. Most progression content you should use LoD. Anything to increase your TTL(time to live). But given the nature of some encounters that contain a majority of unavoidable damage(for example -impales/bleeds, poisons/fires, frost breath/stuns all in the 1st encounter of ToC), you might as well be doing more dps. As usual its situational as to which one is 'best'.

#6 Sep 13 2009 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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A)Situational, bud.
B)Prot's my offset, so I prefer to use my triumph emblems on primarily ret gear and then secondarily prot. When I've achieved my mainspec wishlist, then I'll go ahead and use up triumphs for prot.
C)As per your mention, is glyph of judgment reaaaaaaaaaally much of a tps boost whatsoever? I've been hearing left and right that it's quite minimal...though offtopic.
#7 Sep 13 2009 at 8:29 PM Rating: Good
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If you're mainly doing heroics with your offspec, just use DP+SoV+HotR, the Judgement glyph is your lowest threat glyph as judgement is usually in the 5-6% range of your overall dps. If you know you're only tanking 1 mob at a time, the AS glyph is a better choice, but as you said this is an offspec no need to be swapping glyphs all the time.
#8 Sep 14 2009 at 12:26 AM Rating: Good
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SarionBelmont wrote:
I'm a lover of TPS as much as the next but what on earth are you doing not using Libram of Defiance?


Once you hit Ulduar/ToC10/25 level of gear you should be at a comfortable level of avoidance that gearing for more dodge with stat sticks (like librams and trinkets) isnt feasible. In my Stam set I sit on 27% dodge (just under 30% in my avoidance set). At that point expertise just about becomes better than dodge rating for avoidance. I'll probably go the LoV before the LoD for tanking.

As I see it right now LoD if you need more dodge, LoO for BV/mitigation until the LoSS is fixed (next patch I believe) and the LoV is your general tanking threat/mitigation libram of choice.

Edited, Sep 14th 2009 8:28am by arthoriuss
#9 Sep 14 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
Well overall LoD will always be better than LoO because avoidance > mitigation, regardless returns. I tank ToC25 heroic. I have 50% avoidance unbuffed, not quite where I want to be, but ~45k hp with raid buffs. As people have noticed, in ToC HP > other stats but threat as a Pally is -so- easy. I'd never boot a pally for using threat Libram but LoO on ToC I'd have to question them thoroughly before I let them in lol. Stopping 1k vs not taking 18k = no brainer.

But yes, for lower content I apologize, not that important. Though personally I'd find it even MORE useful since in Heroic farming and the like, your gear is generally so low that 200 dodge would be massive. But since it's an offset, I can't blame you for saving emblems.
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