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#1 Sep 03 2009 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi. Few quick questions.

1)Looked up EJ, found a blood build, and I've been rolling with it. Feels good, but EJ only gave me a simple rotation. Could anyone give me a priority list? I'm **** at following set rotations.

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Diseases
HS
DS
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2)Should I be refreshing diseases with Pestilence with only one target? With multiple targets?

3)DRW. How does it work with diseases? When should I be using it? When I pop it, do I have to re-apply diseases? I'm just not sure how to make the most out of it.

4)Hysteria. On myself? Or highest DPS in group? Should I be warning healers with a macro?

5)When the hell do people use Empower Rune Weapon? I just want to make the most use out of it.

I think that's about all the questions I have. Just looking for advice, experience, or discussion on the subjects. :P
#2 Sep 03 2009 at 9:02 PM Rating: Good
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1)Looked up EJ, found a blood build, and I've been rolling with it. Feels good, but EJ only gave me a simple rotation. Could anyone give me a priority list? I'm sh*t at following set rotations.

Keep diseases up, use anything that requires you to be in melee range as much as possible (HS over DS if possible), dump your runic power - in that order. Just keep your mind at it though; if you're sitting on 100 runic power and your runes aren't on cooldown but you can't HS/DS because you're out of range of the boss, just Death Coil away that RP.

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2)Should I be refreshing diseases with Pestilence with only one target? With multiple targets?

Yup; as blood your DS should do more damage than an IT+PS. PvP is the only real exception here, but PvP is always the exception.

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3)DRW. How does it work with diseases? When should I be using it? When I pop it, do I have to re-apply diseases? I'm just not sure how to make the most out of it.

Afaik your DRW's abilities also deal more damage if your diseases are up. You should be using it as soon as cooldowns have been popped - it's damage is based on the amount of damage your original strike does, iirc; which means that the more AP you have the more damage your DRW will do as well. And re-apply diseases? Why? Only if they're down.

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4)Hysteria. On myself? Or highest DPS in group? Should I be warning healers with a macro?

You *can* warn your healers but one DS should outheal it's damage. Make it a /raid message, not a /rw, should be fine. And usually on yourself, possibly on the highest DPS if it's a melee who'se that much higher.

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5)When the hell do people use Empower Rune Weapon? I just want to make the most use out of it.

Instead of a RP-dump.
#3 Sep 03 2009 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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baveux wrote:

5)When the hell do people use Empower Rune Weapon? I just want to make the most use out of it.


I felt this could use a little bit more explanation. (Moza did a good job, but I think a more in-depth analysis is in order here.)

I saw just how useful this is when trying to tank an extra drake in Sarth 10. Have you ever been like "Oh sh*t, I need some runes!"? Say an add pops, but you just finished attacking and have nothing to burst it with? (A really important add or something.) That's when you use ERW. It's even better for tanking, you can use all 6 runes, then pop it and throw a DnD right when adds come out, like the drake we left up.

It's for those moments where you really need runes, but as luck would have it you just spent them, and the situation is to the point where waiting 8 seconds or whatever isn't going to work. And for fights where you know there wont be any problems like that, when you get Bloodlust/Heroism, have your trinkets up, etc, use it there. Pest on the last rune of the rotation before this. Heart Strike 6x. ERW. Heart Strike 6x. Pure gold with trinkets/buffs up.
#4 Sep 04 2009 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Keep diseases up, use anything that requires you to be in melee range as much as possible (HS over DS if possible), dump your runic power - in that order. Just keep your mind at it though; if you're sitting on 100 runic power and your runes aren't on cooldown but you can't HS/DS because you're out of range of the boss, just Death Coil away that RP.


What about if I'm in melee range and my RP is 100? I've had times where I'm simply wasting away RP because I'm sitting there with 100 and a good ways away from my next RP dump in my rotation. Should I just throw out a Death Coil, or will breaking up my rotation drop my DPS?(I know your priority list says do it last, I just want to make sure.)


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Afaik your DRW's abilities also deal more damage if your diseases are up. You should be using it as soon as cooldowns have been popped - it's damage is based on the amount of damage your original strike does, iirc; which means that the more AP you have the more damage your DRW will do as well. And re-apply diseases? Why? Only if they're down.


Because when I apply diseases, so does DRW? At least that's what it looks like when I pop it and apply diseases. That's what I'm wondering.
#5 Sep 04 2009 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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What about if I'm in melee range and my RP is 100? I've had times where I'm simply wasting away RP because I'm sitting there with 100 and a good ways away from my next RP dump in my rotation. Should I just throw out a Death Coil, or will breaking up my rotation drop my DPS?(I know your priority list says do it last, I just want to make sure.)

Shamefully, you waste that RP, yus. Specifically as blood, your strikes will just do that much more damage - you even have a chance for a free DC on your HS anyway.

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Because when I apply diseases, so does DRW? At least that's what it looks like when I pop it and apply diseases. That's what I'm wondering.

Ahhh, fair enough. Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik the DRW's attacks are completely based on the damage you do - so there is no need to apply diseases for it's HS/DS to do extra damage. Applying diseases just because to get 2 extra DOTs on the target is generally pointless, one DS should by far deal more damage than those diseases.
#6 Sep 04 2009 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Ahhh, fair enough. Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik the DRW's attacks are completely based on the damage you do - so there is no need to apply diseases for it's HS/DS to do extra damage. Applying diseases just because to get 2 extra DOTs on the target is generally pointless, one DS should by far deal more damage than those diseases.


I know nothing of theorycrafting, and the tooltip seems to show that it simply does half the damage you do for its duration. I guess it depends if DRW putting diseases on the target actually does its own damage.

It seems like diseases + pestilence puts two of each disease on all the targets, which is primarily the reason I was asking the question.
#7 Sep 05 2009 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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1)Looked up EJ, found a blood build, and I've been rolling with it. Feels good, but EJ only gave me a simple rotation. Could anyone give me a priority list? I'm sh*t at following set rotations.


The priority is simple. Keep your diseases up as much as you can, use Death Strike to build death runes, Heart Strike like crazy, and Death Coil when you're RP is at max.



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2)Should I be refreshing diseases with Pestilence with only one target? With multiple targets?


If you have Glyph of Disease, yes. It's only costing one Blood Rune, whereas if you don't have the glyph, it's going to cost you a Frost and Unholy Rune. You'll get the Blood Rune's back when you use a Death Strike with the Frost and Unholy Rune (Death Runes :) )



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4)Hysteria. On myself? Or highest DPS in group? Should I be warning healers with a macro?


On yourself. I generally never warn the healers since I'm regaining health like crazy anyway

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5)When the hell do people use Empower Rune Weapon? I just want to make the most use out of it.


I use it after a Hysteria/DRW combo, and I've blown all the runes.

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#8 Sep 06 2009 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
The problem is, the glyph is overall less dps (even refreshing your rotation) than going the combo of DRW, Dark Death, and Death Strike. If you're using the pest glyph, you'd have to give up one of those three.
#9 Sep 07 2009 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
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1)Looked up EJ, found a blood build, and I've been rolling with it. Feels good, but EJ only gave me a simple rotation. Could anyone give me a priority list? I'm sh*t at following set rotations.


Sorry to say, but DK really to try their best to stick to a rotation, but here's what your priorities should be:

Dancing Rune Weapon+Any other cooldowns you may have
Diseases
Heart Strikes
Death Strikes
Death Coils

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2)Should I be refreshing diseases with Pestilence with only one target? With multiple targets?


Overall, Glyph of Dark Death will give you more dps than Glyph of Disease since your main RP dump is Death Coil and you are also firing off Death Coils on occasion when you use Heart Strike. As for multiple targets, Pestilence is the way to go for refreshing diseases.

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3)DRW. How does it work with diseases? When should I be using it? When I pop it, do I have to re-apply diseases? I'm just not sure how to make the most out of it.


In general, you should try to reapply diseases right after you use DRW (a good way to make sure you have the runes for it is to use Empowered Rune Weapon before you use DRW). Also before you use DRW, try to have as many death runes and other ap/damage boosting procs as possible.

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4)Hysteria. On myself? Or highest DPS in group? Should I be warning healers with a macro?


This should be used on the highest physical dps in your group as they will get the most benefit out of it. You should not need to warn healers of it because they are only losing 1% health a second. Though if you use it on yourself, always try to save it for use with DRW. Since it has a 3min cd and drw has a 1.5min cd you should be able to use it every other DRW.

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5)When the hell do people use Empower Rune Weapon? I just want to make the most use out of it.


As I stated above, it's great for using right before a Dancing Rune Weapon, though if you are in the last portion of a boss and are coming close to the enrage timer, go ahead and use it even if your DRW isn't ready.


Blood starts out worse than Unholy, but it scales much better once you get a good amount of ArP.
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