Tree of Life numbersFollow

A quick google search told me that soft cap is 8% with Gift of the Earthmother. (could well be wrong, I've spent the last little while reading EJ's and someone seemed to think 16% was...)

I'm sitting on 278 haste rating unbuffed, and that's 8.48% haste.

Technically any more haste for me isn't as valuable as crit, but I'm going after regen anyway at the moment. Moar spirit plz

Oh. My haste is currently 399 unbuffed (15.82%) so does that mean when my egg of mortal essence procs with +505 haste it procs into the big soft cap!!? Darn better replace it although that said when it does proc it appears to speed up my RG casting time - am I misunderstanding haste?



Still I guess it means I can move these talents points then? I think I assumed becuase GotEM is base global CD that haste would stack on top :(


EDIT: someproteinguys' link is pretty informative. Scrolling down a bit there is a fair amount of discussion of RG versus RJ healing.

EDIT2 (answering my own questions but thought you might like to read)



Edited, Sep 4th 2009 10:25am by dashwoe

Spark of hope is basically god like,couple it with the mana return intellect trinket from TOC normal and mana useage seems to be a problem that happens to other people.

Zetter

This is a great thread. I was wondering about some of the numbers myself, so thanks for asking Mazra! :)
Our group is only barely starting to run through the Northrend instances, but I have been curious what stats were adequate for doing heroics for when we all reach level 80. I think I'm at 900 SP now in tree form. Still have a ways to go, but we still have lots of quests and instances to run, too.

Thanks for the great info, everybody!

I’m a week late but I wanted to chime in… I started healing heroics immediately when I hit 80. My SP was around 1200. I also started doing OS. First time I ran OS it was me at 1200 +heals unbuffed and a priest at 2200, we two healed it and did fine. I may have got the gloves there on that run or another shortly after. Heroics wise, I started with the starter Northrend dungeons and worked my way up.

I also utilized some crafters in my guild to get me the titansteel guardian 1H mace, earthgiving boots and legs from a leatherworker trying to skill up with my mats, some cloth items from a tailor friend and basic level enchants until I could get better. I leveled my DK first to 80 as I had hit 70 about a month before WOTLK and had leveled resto from about 63 up, I wanted a break. I had skinning and mining on the DK so I was able to obtain most of my mats, and besides gold comes cheap if you need to AH it.

I am now at 2100 sp unbuffed, like 2250ish in TOL form, I JUST replaced the guardian mace with the dagger off IC in Uld 10, so it was well worth it to get it. Just the same the dagger out of H TOC on the Black Knight is a very nice dagger to have.

I honestly didn’t find myself replacing most of the crafted gear I got until I hit Naxx and got tier stuff. Being a healer it should be easy to find groups. Do some heroic runs and get emblems - Nexus, Gun’Drak, timed COS (though that can be a tougher heal with silences form patchwork guys), Utgarde Pinnacle (again can be a tough heal on the gauntlet if ranged isn’t picked up immediately), and I am missing one - are all 5 emblem runs. UK is easy, VH is easy (one personal accomplishment I remember was the first time I was able to heal through the void walker part – it felt good to me) so those are some quick ones to get. Then you can get major upgrades on helm, chest, neck, legs, gloves. H TOC also has some decent stuff, a necklace, some boots and gloves that could be argued to be boomkin, but if you don’t have better, why not.

There are some basic tips to get some better gear, you probably know them, but I wanted to mention them anyway. If you can get the crafted items, go for it, if not heroics it is. Right now is a great time to get into Naxx runs as well because so many people are just in it for quick badge runs, so you can go face roll the place, pick up any gear you can use and get badges too. Ride the coat tails if they are willing to let you aboard. :)

As for boomkin, my second spec is balance, I trade out my relic and a trinket and push 4-5k dps (probably more since I got my SP up another 150-200 since I last went laser chicken.) Hit is great and will certainly help, but if you are focusing on heals, you can do respectable dps along the way with mostly the same gear.

Regarding the RG glyph, don’t waste your time. Yes it is nice to have a quick pop, but the nerf you take on the heals aren’t worth it. Get RJ and SM for the quick pop or better yet macro NS with HT as your ohh s#!t button. You’ll be surprised how quickly some RJs with LB and WG will bring a party up. Also for raiding I find the brez with full hp is invaluable. Being able to brez a tank and have them jump right in can be a raid saver.

Good luck to you!

I will try to help, Arex feel free to come in and correct me if I'm wrong.

1 - First off, Eclipse changed. There's still a CD but only for the same spell. Like this: if you keep casting SF, Solar Eclipse will proc eventually and you will change to cast Wrath. When Solar eclipse ends, it will enter in a CD, but only the Solar will. The Lunar is off CD. So, if you keep casting wrath, the Lunar one will eventually proc and you will start casting SF, and so on and so forth. When none is on CD you can cast whatever you like, but I tend to cast wrath-sf-wrath-sf so I can have the correct spell being casted as soon as eclipse procs and not lose a spell due to wrath late hit on mob.

2 - Try to always cast IS before MF. MF can crit and can proc NG. If you cast MF then IS you can lose the proc due to gcd + lag.

3 - Try to keep both dots up all the time. Of course, that would be the perfect world where you can always have the RNG working for you and eclipse always proccing whenever you need. As we know this doesnt happen, what I try to do is this:
- Keep FF up, keep IS up, keep MF up, wrath-sf-wrath-sf untill one of the eclipse procs;
- When eclipse procs I check if I have enough time on dots for at least 2 casts. If I do, I cast the spell. Otherwise I redot and resume.
- If one of the dots is going down and I have more than 5 seconds on eclipse, I recast it and resume casting the eclipse spell. Otherwise, I just keep spamming. This 5 seconds here is what I seen to generally be able to recast dots and cast 1 SF in time.
- If T8 thing procs, I cast SF. Generally. It actually depend on the fight and if I think I can wait a bit to see if I get a SF eclipse. If I think I dont have enough time due to boss mechanic or anything I just cast it and move on.
- When Eclipse is on CD, redot if you need and cast the correspondent spell.

4 - Remember to use Starfall whenever its off CD and you think its a buff to dps. No use on casting it just before you know you will get stunned or out of range.

5 - Try to know when your raid is going to use heroism/bloodlust and cast Treants just before the shaman use it so the Treants can have full benefit of it.


ps. This is what I do since I have both T8 proc and MF idol. It might be not so great idea to keep both dots up all the time wasting GCDs, even less if you dont have T8, but casting only the one that have greater impact on the correlated spell might be a good idea. I dont really have numbers for it or maths to show you what is better or worst. This is just the way I better adapted myself and do the better dps with.

edit. I said I would respec and I did yesterday. Even so I find myself always having almost full mana. Im still thinking of changing stuff, I just dont know where to put cause the other talents are such a minor benefit to dps its kinda of a shame they are there...

Edited, Sep 10th 2009 10:16pm by Brisin

Okay, so I now find myself in a different position than when I originally started this thread. It's been barely a month and so much has happened. In the first post I'm wondering if I'm ready for heroics soon, having some 1300 spell power self-buffed in Tree of Life form, 159 haste and 204 crit rating.

Now I find myself wondering if I'm ready for raids...

I now have 1944 spell power unbuffed and in NE form, 406 haste rating, 367 crit rating and 246 mp5 (through Intensity). I can heal pretty much every heroic out there, but with a fail group, TotC and HoS/HoL are teh suck. Oh, and I'm still not doing Oculus. Seriously hate that place.

I'm still far from getting the epic achievement which is the key to Naxx10/VOA PUGs and I'm getting there slowly. According to WoW-loot.com, I've got the best gear available pre-raid. I've looked through instance drops and rep rewards, but nothing seems to be better than what I have now. Of course, I can always farm some 500 emblems and get the Tier 7-8 items, but PUG'ing heroics is getting boring and stuff.

When did you start raiding and where did you start?

I got the epic achievement only after raiding naxx 25 several times. You are more than ready. I was healing naxx 10 with blue equipment. You are fine.
You have more than enough SP and enough haste. Crit pretty much doesnt matter. You might have a problem with mana on some encounters (maybe Sarth and/or KT) if you dont have a pally or shammy on your raid, but thats unlikely. I would more than likely give it a try.

Heroic Toc, if I'm not mistaken, has the same "difficult" as naxx 25/ulduar 10.

Personally I hate H ToC, because unless you have a decently geared tank and some clever dps a few of the fights (confessor in particular) are seriously hard.

Are you in a raiding guild?

I think this would be the time to try and find a mediocre raiding guild and just run naxx/Uld a few times, even if you're just going on the alt/non-core-raiding-team clear just to get badges/gear.

You'd be surprised how much easier everything becomes when everyone knows their job well. I basically /afk for the spider boss now, just keeping my regrowth, rejuv and abolish poison going and that's it.

HPS is a really tricky thing.

My hps is really dependent on the other healers I am running with. If I'm in a raid with 2 pallies and myself odds are my hps numbers aren't going to look so good, because every time I throw a hot onto someone they'll heal over the top of my hot, wasting it, lowering my hps.

Try checking the actual healing done next time. He may have higher HPS than you, but perhaps he was on tank heals where he needed to be putting out bigger numbers. When I'm on raid heals I tend to have a lower hps, but much higher healing done because I have hots ticking away on half the raid

Basic rule is ff no-one is dead at the end, then you did well.


My strategy for raid healing is: Know your assignments. Odds are you will be raid heals, so hit Wild Growth on every cooldown. See if you can aim it so it hits the maximum number of people (I sometimes stand halfway between the melee and ranged and cast it on myself, so it hits both groups).

If damage is coming too fast (which it often is) see if you can predict when that damage is going to come (eg. HoL Loken's lightning nova) and before it comes put a rejuv on everyone, then WG just as it arrives then spam nourish. That way, if you are talented and glyphed for nourish, you're getting a heap of healing done on your nourish and getting those off in less than 2 seconds each. I can get the raid back up and running on my own within 5-10 seconds that way.

I personally find HoL much easier than HoS. That event in HoS is much harder than anything in HoL and Loken is not that bad, since your WG basically counteracts the constant damage and the nova is very predictable, you can tranq through one and just do the prehot system for the others.


Edit to add: The confessor is a *****. I swear I have more trouble healing through her than any other encounter in the game.

Edited, Sep 20th 2009 12:19pm by slightlysober

Just something that works really well for me and requires almost no thought is in encounters where you know there will be adds (Old Kingdom or even just for the annoying little zombies in CoS) sit on the tank, behind the boss.

Heals have no minimum range and this means that you have the adds taken off you easily by whatever AoE component most tanks build into their rotation (consecrate, DnD etc) while continuing to heal and actually getting a better return out of your WG spam.

Do make sure you are behind the boss though, where the other dps are so you avoid any frontal cone of effect damage (ie. dragon's flame breath kind of stuff etc)


Unfortunately I think this is half laziness and half ignorance.

Laziness because a lot of healers are overgeared enough that they can just heal straight through the AoE damage that used to define encounters (such as HoL Loken's nova).

Ignorance because, having only ever run with overgeared healers, they may not even know about the damage.

For example I ran H UK the other day and not a single person attacked the Ice Blocked person. I simply healed through it and everything was fine until I was the one who got Ice Blocked and died.

I asked them why they hadn't swapped to the ice person and all of them said they didn't know that's what they did.

Even the dps in Uld/ToC gear didn't know, simply because he'd leveled to 80 just a little bit later and had never had to bother before.

Fix your resto spec. Check the Druid 202 sticky. I updated the resto part and forget what is in there but its good stuff. Also fix resto glyphs. Starfire is DPS and Nourish is less than optimal.

You seem to be logged in Balance gear or are at least sharing and prioritizing balance stuff.

Your Mp5 is 47 while casting, that is not good for a healer. Again balance looking gear.