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I had heard that you should use double wound poison due to the frequency at which it procced. Or does Improved Poisons make the proc rate of instant high enough to over shadow wound.

This is my armory on my rogue so you can see what I'm currently specced into.

Was doing some thinking and your rational just didn't sit right with me so I did some more digging and found this out.

Instant Poison proc chances WITHOUT the talent:

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1.3 Speed - 18.57%
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1.4 Speed - 20.00%
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1.5 Speed - 21.43%
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1.6 Speed - 22.86%
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1.7 Speed - 24.29%
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1.8 Speed - 25.71%
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2.6 Speed - 37.14%
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2.8 Speed - 40.00%

Instant Poison proc chances WITH the talent:

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1.3 Speed - 27.86%
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1.4 Speed - 30.00%
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1.5 Speed - 32.14%
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1.6 Speed - 34.29%
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1.7 Speed - 36.43%
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1.8 Speed - 38.57%
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2.6 Speed - 55.71%
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2.8 Speed - 60.00%

Proc chances of Wound Poison:

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1.3 Speed - 46.43%
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1.4 Speed - 50.00%
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1.5 Speed - 53.57%
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1.6 Speed - 57.14%
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1.7 Speed - 60.71%
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1.8 Speed - 64.29%
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2.6 Speed - 92.86%
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2.8 Speed - 100.00%

Even with talents the proc chance of instant is much lower than wound. Instant does do more dmg than wound per proc, however Mut benefits 20% if the target is poisoned. Thus making use of at least one weapon with wound poison to be far superior than double instant.

The only question remains is double wound or instant/wound.

Just at my level wound does around 70 dmg per proc, and instant around 112 per proc.

I use 1.7 speed weapons (BoA weapons)

So wound is 70 * .6071 = 42.497 dmg averaged out.
and instant is 112 * .3643 = 40.802 dmg averaged out.

For me at least double wound wins out. But for any mut rogue at least one poison should be wound.

I think the 50AP is the cheapest, and best to put on lower lvl daggers.

I have a few daggers now, which setup would you run with?

Black Knight Rondel
Golem Shard Sticker
Stygian Bladebreaker
Tarnished Gutgore Ripped


As HfB, which dagger setup would you run with?


I know it sounds crazy, but I just got Stygian last night, and even though it is the best off hand I'll ever aquire, I figure I also have the 2nd best off hand (Golem Shard).


So until I get a 1.8 dagger from TotC, I was thinking of rolling Stygian MH, Golem Shard OH.

I'm not impressed with the lack of stats on Tarnished Gutgore. I may keep it as a PVP dagger.

I have to agree with Teddy's recommendation. Though if you really want to be sure, go rape some target dummies with different combinations of the four.

SO IM COMIN BACK TO WOW BUT I WANA GO ALLIANCE SO WUT RACE SHUD I CHANGE TO ON ALLIANCE

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HUMAN

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haee theoo rull a guud class liek hunter or beast shaman so we can beast creeve or maybe it be nerfed by then imo human probably best race choice unless you liek ruuning commp that have no gud root dispel and is duuble deeps

i was wondering when i was jumping through my fiery friend Koralon to evade some of his fire farts:
Does the place where i apply rupture matter to the damage it will do with ticks?

So, does it matter if i apply rupture in front of him or his back?

akshuuly haiiku has sto have a refernce to nature and reference to the current season :[

Hello Rogues,

Haven't been around these parts much, seeing as I just started my Rogue two weeks ago. I've sped up to Northrend, (Got 68 today) without any heirlooms or anything due to rolling on new server. Since 50 I've been "doin it wrong" with leveling Combat according to these boards, but I have some noobsauce Rogue questions if you guys don't mind:

#1: How much better is Mutilate than Combat for leveling? I really like Combat, and I'd prefer to stay it for PvE, but that's just due to being stubborn in my ways...

Combat has became annoying lately. All throughout outlands I'd be able to kill 3-5 mobs then have to eat or bandage...almost every time. Really depended on the mobs. Some mobs would poison me, or mobs with thorns would just own my health right away...Other mobs (casters) would barely touch me. On average though it wasn't that great, but I stuck with it anyway because it was what I was comfortable with. So is Mutilate THAT much better?

I kind of liked being able to pop Blade Flurry / Adrenaline Rush / Evasion and flawless victory down like 4-5mobs though every three minutes... Was also a nice get out of jail free card, and Adrenaline Rush / Evasion + Trinkets worked alright for doing group quests, but I had to work for it with potions, and blinds/bandages, etc, etc.

#2: Lets say I go Mutilate...I was reading forums and looking at that Mutilate Rotation...That's a lot to take in, when you're not familar with the Mutilate tree or new-er (As in BC on...) Rogue abilities. This is my first Rogue, so yeah, not up to speed with Rogue at all. Mutilate rotation seemed like if you want to be at maximum potential you've got to keep up a lot of sh*t. Bleed, HfB, SnD all on your own? Maybe it seems harder than it actually is. Like I said I'm not familar with it. Care to dumb down Mutilate rotation for leveling up...and for raiding for me? What you use when?

#3: How different does the 41/5/25 Mut/Prep PvP spec play from the PvE leveling/raiding Mutilate specs? I'm mostly leveling this Rogue for PvP, so I know I'll end up being Mut/Prep for PvP at 80...If the specs play similar at all, and I"ll need to start getting used to basic rotations or anything even for PvP, maybe that'll push me more in to leveling as Mutilate. If that makes sense... PvP doesn't tend to have rotations though...but I figure I'll ask anyway.

#4: Well the game plan for me and my group of friends just coming back to WoW, is to get to 80 (almost there!) and spam run heroics because apparently you can get very good starting sets for both PvP and PvE from badges now? Confirm / Deny?

#5: Serious question: Friend also says all Rogue does in heroics is spam Fan of Knives no matter what spec you are...Because of all the aoe... Well that sounds lame. Confirm / Deny?

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Might edit in more if I think of anything before bed. This will help a lot guys if you don't mind. ^^ I'm doing alright now as Combat, I just feel in the back of my head like it could be a lot better. I hate "doin it wrong" though, and I'd really like to know what I was doing before hand before rushing in to another spec I have no idea how to play.

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Edit: Proof not troll!

http://i45.tinypic.com/68y2rc.jpg

There I am...68 Rogue...Fully keybound, focus macros already, etc, etc...I just need a push in the right direction and a couple pointers! I've got potential! lol

Edited, Jan 10th 2010 3:14am by LordDrazhar

Thanks for the response God, (lol).

Yeah Combat is pretty fun, I just don't want to be gimping myself too bad. Combat has been both ok leveling and ok instance dps thus far though, so it hasn't let me down too bad I suppose. Unless I'm doing single target mobs that poison me and have thorns...then I just feel worthless.

Also thank you for simplifying the raiding rotation. I completely understand that now for Boss encounters. Only issue I have is still wondering when I should attempt to do all that on trash? Or in 5man heroics? Seems like by the time you get that up the mob would be dead. But honestly I hadn't thought of the 1point Rupture for HfB, that makes things a lot better than I would expect. I guess in heroics now days most of it is aoe anyway so I'll just be FoK'ing all day (hah). I don't know, I'll have to get out and try it before I ask anymore questions I guess.

If PvP Mutilate ends up being nothing like PvE Mutilate though maybe I'll just stay Combat for PvE and Mutilate for PvP and never have to worry about a more frustrating rotation anyway lol.

Thanks for compliment on UI. It's surprisingly easy to set up, it's called "Spartan's UI" if you want to look in to it. Just have to resize the bottom interface (it starts out taking up a very large portion of screen, I think there mine's 85%.) and that's it. Add in your own combat text and what not. The Unit frames aren't the best, but I shouldn't need the best for Rogue... On my Paladin I was debating getting different frames though so I could see **** I needed to take off people easier. I also had grid though so...dunno.

Anyway thanks again!

Along with what GodofMoo said, depending on what's up aheade in fights (I like to determine what's aheaad of me), I'll use my cds like Blade Flurry, Adrenaline Rush, and Killing Spree... All three are on pretty short CDs, so when there'a a pack of mobs, I like to use them if I'm not going to be doing a boss fight directly afterwards.

As for the rotation mentioned, I use a ruptureless build, so I'm mainly SS and Evis. So running a rotation with just those two on trash mobs or in 5 mans, isn't too hard.

CQC spec=Fist/Dagger. You very very very rarely have a fist in off hand. Almost always a dagger since they're faster pretty much always. find a good 1.4/1.5 dagger for OH and go to town.