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#1 Aug 19 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
Well I was looking at a few things on wowinsider when I saw this article on Classes/Races.
It may very well be "WOW TABLOID" but they said NE, Dward, ORC, could all become mages. Taurens could also be paladins, and humans could be shamans.

I am completely against these new changes(if they are real), whats your opinion?
#2 Aug 19 2009 at 9:48 AM Rating: Default
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Honestly? I could care less...The whole race and class thing has no impact on my game play choices. It just seems like they're catering to those who like to place one race but want to enjoy other classes besides what they're limited to. People are flipping out over something that's lore related - for real, it's not too big of a deal.
#3 Aug 19 2009 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Considering this is the mage forum, my response will deal with Orc and Night Elf mages (I didn't see where the rumor mill churned out the idea of Dwarven mages, just Shaman.)
Night Elf mages are already being explained. The Highbourne are back, and stirring stuff up again (possibly trying to use the Moonwells as a new source of power?) The Highbourne, as well as a small amount of commoners (Illidan, Jerod Shadowsong {Shadowspear?}, and others) have an accute grasp of the Arcane (Not so much in Jerod's sense, but he did say that he wasn't as good at it as Illidan, but still had minor abilities in it. There is also Ravencrest's sorcerers.)

Orc Magi are within the realm of possibility. They've spent a LOT of time with the Arcane attuned Ogres, maybe they've picked up a thing or two.

Gameplay wise, neither of those races have racials that will directly help out, or give them a huge edge in the Mage class. I would, very much, like to see a Night Elf in T8 mage gear.
#4 Aug 19 2009 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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stinlin wrote:
Honestly? I could care less...The whole race and class thing has no impact on my game play choices. It just seems like they're catering to those who like to place one race but want to enjoy other classes besides what they're limited to. People are flipping out over something that's lore related - for real, it's not too big of a deal.


You have a point but it does have issues regarding retcons and what nots. The NEs have a pact of sorts with one of the aspects (Emerald if I am not wrong) thus the majority of the NPC druids are in the emerald dream including Malfurion. They also made an effort to banning the use of magic amongst themselves as they view it as the prime cause of the sundering.

Also a large number of the highborne are hopelessly addicted to magic energy. I am quite sure the Blood Elves have quests regarding this problem. Illidan's addiction lead to him to start absorbing demonic magic as well... we all saw where it got him. Kaelthas's ultimately lead him to you know... betray his own people? Lore is an important part of WoW, quest lines are built around it. It gives the NPCs grounding for the writers.

Letting NE mages appear in the game may sound like a "meh" thing but it really is not suited to the way Night Elves operate. Mages in WoW lore tear apart the laws of nature to do their work. This itself goes against their nature which is also the reason why the Highborne split from the NEs in the first place. Malfurion's side wanted to stop all practice of arcane magics while the remaining Highborne were already hooked on the energies (unknown to them at the time or yet to be written into the story). They moved to the place where they built the sunwell which provided them with an energy source till Arthas used it for KT.

Its the same thing as giving Gnomes the option to take up priesthood. They do not believe in the "Light", don't tell me they are going "adeptus mechanicus" and worship the Machine God... though Tech-priest are cool they are not WoW-cool
#5 Aug 21 2009 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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Gameplay wise, neither of those races have racials that will directly help out, or give them a huge edge in the Mage class

I believe the Orc racial Blood Fury is a spell power clicky. I wonder how that would compare to the Troll haste racial.
#6 Aug 22 2009 at 7:19 PM Rating: Default
I simply dont like the idea seeing other races play my mage, maybe im racist XD. Each class has a kidna specialty to it, and although variety is good, sometimes if everyone can do everything, its plain old boring!
#7 Aug 25 2009 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
Well, it does open up new ways for racials to be effective. Pre-Invisible NE Mages could get in/out of dangerous areas by alternating blink and shadowmeld (for named mobs, possibly), provided they don’t get “cought”. Possibly the Orcs bloodfury-thing will be changed to increase spell power (maybe?) for a “free” third trinket. Who knows? Trust in Blizzard! They have a way of making everything turn out fine in the end
#8 Aug 27 2009 at 4:55 AM Rating: Decent
cancerous wrote:
stinlin wrote:
Honestly? I could care less...The whole race and class thing has no impact on my game play choices. It just seems like they're catering to those who like to place one race but want to enjoy other classes besides what they're limited to. People are flipping out over something that's lore related - for real, it's not too big of a deal.


You have a point but it does have issues regarding retcons and what nots. The NEs have a pact of sorts with one of the aspects (Emerald if I am not wrong) thus the majority of the NPC druids are in the emerald dream including Malfurion. They also made an effort to banning the use of magic amongst themselves as they view it as the prime cause of the sundering.

Also a large number of the highborne are hopelessly addicted to magic energy. I am quite sure the Blood Elves have quests regarding this problem. Illidan's addiction lead to him to start absorbing demonic magic as well... we all saw where it got him. Kaelthas's ultimately lead him to you know... betray his own people? Lore is an important part of WoW, quest lines are built around it. It gives the NPCs grounding for the writers.

Letting NE mages appear in the game may sound like a "meh" thing but it really is not suited to the way Night Elves operate. Mages in WoW lore tear apart the laws of nature to do their work. This itself goes against their nature which is also the reason why the Highborne split from the NEs in the first place. Malfurion's side wanted to stop all practice of arcane magics while the remaining Highborne were already hooked on the energies (unknown to them at the time or yet to be written into the story). They moved to the place where they built the sunwell which provided them with an energy source till Arthas used it for KT.

Its the same thing as giving Gnomes the option to take up priesthood. They do not believe in the "Light", don't tell me they are going "adeptus mechanicus" and worship the Machine God... though Tech-priest are cool they are not WoW-cool


The highborne were nothing more than the nobility class of the Keldorei, which is the race that all Elves can hail their ancestry to. All the Keldorei could channel the arcane; few were taught/allowed to do so, simply as a matter of status. They believe the abuse of arcane magics by the highborne is what led to the Sundering, and so the Keldorei banished the use of arcane magics. Some disagreed, others simply couldn't live without the magic; thus the Keldorei itself split into what we know now as the High Elves/Highborne and Night Elves.

After the Sundering, the Night Elves took up the ways of nature, presumably as a means of repentance for the damage they felt responsible for; the replanting and blessing of Nordrassil by Alextrasza, Ysera, and Nozdormu also probably had something to do with their gravitation toward the ways of nature. The orders of Druids that resulted followed Malfurion Stormrage (who was already long standing Arch Druid and sleeping within the Emerald Dream, fighting The Nightmare).

The elves' naivete was in the fact that they assume that by leaving the arcane magics alone, Sargeras would have never corrupted Azshara and the other Highborne, the portal that allowed the Burning Legion into Azeroth would have never have been opened, and the War of the Ancients and the resulting Sundering would have never happened. Sargeras being what he was would have been more than capable of accomplishing his goals in any number of ways. And clearly, the events of the Cataclysm prove that magics with the power to radically change the world itself are neither limited strictly to the arcane, nor have to be fueled by naive mortals.

tl;dr The Elves would be foolish to simply continue to be ignorant of their own ancestry in the face of the dangers that are approaching.

As for Gnome Priests/Tauren Paladins, I don't see how your race precludes you from finding a belief system different from "the norm" for your general population. Humans do it all the time. Just because Gnomes have an affinity for technology doesn't mean some of them wouldn't prefer to take up matters of faith over science.
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