Guys,
Could someone help me with my Def Cap. I seem to have dropped below it, due to getting some new items and not paying attention. Here is a link to my armory:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twilight%27s+Hammer&n=Goggy
I have the +21 defence gem, but it requires 2 red gems, which is a bloody nightmare as you either lose stam or defence when gemming to hit that.
Could I get some suggestions please?
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Good answer from another prot pala, to swap the meta for an Austere Earthsiege Diamond, thus getting rid of the dumb red gem requirements, and then gem for defence using the yellows.
You could swap a couple of your stam gems for Dodge+stam. That will give you the red gem requirements. You could use the extra dodge also.
Also you could swap to the stam meta from the above post and chuck a def enchant on your chest and back.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 7:37am by bawbaag
Also you could swap to the stam meta from the above post and chuck a def enchant on your chest and back.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 7:37am by bawbaag
bawbaag wrote:
Also you could swap to the stam meta from the above post and chuck a def enchant on your chest and back.
This.
You know, I never even noticed 'Greater Defence' before now...
I guess that's why these forums exist.
Thanks
I guess that's why these forums exist.
Thanks
I don't know your budget, but definitely yes go for the Austere Earthsiege Diamond for sure.
Some advice I can give you.
First off: Never gem for socket bonus unless
1: It aids in meta
2: gives you as much, if not more, of a bonus than a solid gem.
Basically unless the socket bonus is +12 Stam in a slot you could put a +10defense/+15stam gem, don't do it.
For Red gem requirements, use either of the Sovereign gems.
Most important of all though.
Titanweave on Cloak(16 Defense)
Greater Defense on Chest(22 defense)
That gives you 38 rating which is 9 Defense.
You also very much need a new shoulder armor.
Overall you're doing well :)
*edit*
Oh yeah, and you're a Paladin, drop Mongoose. Recently Potency was king, but since 3.2 HUGE boost to Blade Ward, it is the absolute best tank Enchant bar none.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 6:18pm by SarionBelmont
Some advice I can give you.
First off: Never gem for socket bonus unless
1: It aids in meta
2: gives you as much, if not more, of a bonus than a solid gem.
Basically unless the socket bonus is +12 Stam in a slot you could put a +10defense/+15stam gem, don't do it.
For Red gem requirements, use either of the Sovereign gems.
Most important of all though.
Titanweave on Cloak(16 Defense)
Greater Defense on Chest(22 defense)
That gives you 38 rating which is 9 Defense.
You also very much need a new shoulder armor.
Overall you're doing well :)
*edit*
Oh yeah, and you're a Paladin, drop Mongoose. Recently Potency was king, but since 3.2 HUGE boost to Blade Ward, it is the absolute best tank Enchant bar none.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 6:18pm by SarionBelmont
SarionBelmont wrote:
h yeah, and you're a Paladin, drop Mongoose. Recently Potency was king, but since 3.2 HUGE boost to Blade Ward, it is the absolute best tank Enchant bar none.
I definitely agree with the "drop Mongoose" thing, but I must have missed something this patch. How was Blade Ward buffed? From everything I read pre 3.2 it was a terrible enchant so I would be very interested in seeing some new numbers or whatever it is that has changed regarding this enchant :) If you could provide a link, that would be great :D
Hmmm really?
Both EJ and Rawr still list mongoose as #1 enchant for tanks.
With regards to my original post, rate ups for the def on chest and back, def cap easily achieved now and it helped me swap a mix +8 def gem for a solid +24, thanks again.
Edited, Aug 19th 2009 7:24am by Goggy
Both EJ and Rawr still list mongoose as #1 enchant for tanks.
With regards to my original post, rate ups for the def on chest and back, def cap easily achieved now and it helped me swap a mix +8 def gem for a solid +24, thanks again.
Edited, Aug 19th 2009 7:24am by Goggy
Awesome Groggy very glad we could help.
EJ is a little off at times, depending on the topic. Mongoose is great for War, but not the best for Pally. I cannot find direct data on the "buff" for Blade Ward but it's a rumor so don't listen too hard. I personal use Potency(+20 str) for threat/block purposes. It's pretty good so far, just hoping a new enchant surfaces soon.
EJ is a little off at times, depending on the topic. Mongoose is great for War, but not the best for Pally. I cannot find direct data on the "buff" for Blade Ward but it's a rumor so don't listen too hard. I personal use Potency(+20 str) for threat/block purposes. It's pretty good so far, just hoping a new enchant surfaces soon.
SarionBelmont wrote:
I cannot find direct data on the "buff" for Blade Ward but it's a rumor so don't listen too hard.
np, I probably wouldn't seriously consider getting it anyway :P But I was curious. I did find something on I believe it was wowhead where it was mentioned that the proc rate had been increased, so if that's all, I'm prepared to use my cheap-yet-effective Potency as well ;)
Also read that people are taking another look into Blood Draining. Have you heard anything on that one, rumor or otherwise? Apparently it was not meshing well with AD, but with the changes to AD, Blood Draining will no longer cause "leapfrogs" with that talent. Again, that's just what Iread, so who knows if it's accurate or not.
Blade Ward is supposedly up to 3 ppm now, but it's still a lacklustre enchant for a prot pally according to maintankadin. Personally, I haven't bothered getting it until someone can show that it's actually worth the mats cost.
As for Blood Draining, now that AD can't be leapfrogged it is an increase in survivability but how much is somewhat dependent on how well your healers are performing. It does go rather well with the new AD according to another tank in my guild, but he's been too lazy to actually compare it to the others and is keeping it largely because he can't be bothered to change it again D:
As for Blood Draining, now that AD can't be leapfrogged it is an increase in survivability but how much is somewhat dependent on how well your healers are performing. It does go rather well with the new AD according to another tank in my guild, but he's been too lazy to actually compare it to the others and is keeping it largely because he can't be bothered to change it again D:
25 hit/crit is another viable option. Most annoying thing I find is running in to pull and your Avenger's Shield misses. Makes me want to go eat some of this. Its all relative to what weapon your using though. If its a heroic 5 man weapon you wouldn't want anything more than titanium weapon chain or potency.
SarionBelmont wrote:
I don't know your budget, but definitely yes go for the Austere Earthsiege Diamond for sure.
Some advice I can give you.
First off: Never gem for socket bonus unless
1: It aids in meta
2: gives you as much, if not more, of a bonus than a solid gem.
Basically unless the socket bonus is +12 Stam in a slot you could put a +10defense/+15stam gem, don't do it.
For Red gem requirements, use either of the Sovereign gems.
Most important of all though.
Titanweave on Cloak(16 Defense)
Greater Defense on Chest(22 defense)
That gives you 38 rating which is 9 Defense.
You also very much need a new shoulder armor.
Overall you're doing well :)
*edit*
Oh yeah, and you're a Paladin, drop Mongoose. Recently Potency was king, but since 3.2 HUGE boost to Blade Ward, it is the absolute best tank Enchant bar none.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 6:18pm by SarionBelmont
Some advice I can give you.
First off: Never gem for socket bonus unless
1: It aids in meta
2: gives you as much, if not more, of a bonus than a solid gem.
Basically unless the socket bonus is +12 Stam in a slot you could put a +10defense/+15stam gem, don't do it.
For Red gem requirements, use either of the Sovereign gems.
Most important of all though.
Titanweave on Cloak(16 Defense)
Greater Defense on Chest(22 defense)
That gives you 38 rating which is 9 Defense.
You also very much need a new shoulder armor.
Overall you're doing well :)
*edit*
Oh yeah, and you're a Paladin, drop Mongoose. Recently Potency was king, but since 3.2 HUGE boost to Blade Ward, it is the absolute best tank Enchant bar none.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 6:18pm by SarionBelmont
I disagree about your gemming advice. As your gear gets better, you should focus less on stam and more on threat. I for one generally gem for socket bonus as it gives you a nice mix of avoidance/threat/health. Now that's not to say i'll take a bonus if it's say 4 stam or a few hit but if it's a resonable trade off (say 4-6 stam for 10 str/hit) then I generally do take it. I'm usually well above 40k hp in a raid so it's not really an issue of squeezing out more stam, it's about staying on top of dps.
electricwizard wrote:
SarionBelmont wrote:
I don't know your budget, but definitely yes go for the Austere Earthsiege Diamond for sure.
Some advice I can give you.
First off: Never gem for socket bonus unless
1: It aids in meta
2: gives you as much, if not more, of a bonus than a solid gem.
Basically unless the socket bonus is +12 Stam in a slot you could put a +10defense/+15stam gem, don't do it.
For Red gem requirements, use either of the Sovereign gems.
Most important of all though.
Titanweave on Cloak(16 Defense)
Greater Defense on Chest(22 defense)
That gives you 38 rating which is 9 Defense.
You also very much need a new shoulder armor.
Overall you're doing well :)
*edit*
Oh yeah, and you're a Paladin, drop Mongoose. Recently Potency was king, but since 3.2 HUGE boost to Blade Ward, it is the absolute best tank Enchant bar none.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 6:18pm by SarionBelmont
Some advice I can give you.
First off: Never gem for socket bonus unless
1: It aids in meta
2: gives you as much, if not more, of a bonus than a solid gem.
Basically unless the socket bonus is +12 Stam in a slot you could put a +10defense/+15stam gem, don't do it.
For Red gem requirements, use either of the Sovereign gems.
Most important of all though.
Titanweave on Cloak(16 Defense)
Greater Defense on Chest(22 defense)
That gives you 38 rating which is 9 Defense.
You also very much need a new shoulder armor.
Overall you're doing well :)
*edit*
Oh yeah, and you're a Paladin, drop Mongoose. Recently Potency was king, but since 3.2 HUGE boost to Blade Ward, it is the absolute best tank Enchant bar none.
Edited, Aug 18th 2009 6:18pm by SarionBelmont
I disagree about your gemming advice. As your gear gets better, you should focus less on stam and more on threat. I for one generally gem for socket bonus as it gives you a nice mix of avoidance/threat/health. Now that's not to say i'll take a bonus if it's say 4 stam or a few hit but if it's a resonable trade off (say 4-6 stam for 10 str/hit) then I generally do take it. I'm usually well above 40k hp in a raid so it's not really an issue of squeezing out more stam, it's about staying on top of dps.
Play styles differ. I prefer having higher HP. My mitigation is always ~95% so I have no use for any dodge/parry/block, and threat is not a problem for Paladin. Simply popping Conc and Hammer of the Righteous controls 1-4 mobs without any effort. For more, a quick tab -> Shield of the Avenger handles 3 more.
Right now buffed I have, I think 44k HP. Ran Ret mostly recently due to my lack of 25 experience and my guild has two absolutely ridiculous tanks right now so I'm more back up.
Stam is important, but when your dps is doing 5-8k on non gimmick fights then you'll be thankful for that extra bit of threat. It's a non issue pre ulduar, but once you get some of the higher gear, it's a relevant concern. Even moreso when you start working on the various hardmodes.
I'll use our last Hodir10 man kill as an example. Our top dps was a warlock who did in the neighborhood of 17k dps, next was our other lock at 15k, rogue at 12k and ret pally at 9k and slightly lower for the rest. Now while having a good amount of health is important, being able to outthreat such ridiculous amounts of dps is even more important. Again I'm not saying you should ditch stam in favor of threat, Ulduar bosses do hit exceptionally hard, but at the same time you can't neglect threat either.
I'm currently sitting on about 100-101% avoidance, and 36.3k hp unbuffed (usually between 42-49k in a raid depending what buffs are available). I personally don't need additional dodge/parry either or stam so instead I get hit/str where I can to maximize threat. It is somewhat a matter of play but also evaluating what stats would benefit you the most in your current gear.
I'll use our last Hodir10 man kill as an example. Our top dps was a warlock who did in the neighborhood of 17k dps, next was our other lock at 15k, rogue at 12k and ret pally at 9k and slightly lower for the rest. Now while having a good amount of health is important, being able to outthreat such ridiculous amounts of dps is even more important. Again I'm not saying you should ditch stam in favor of threat, Ulduar bosses do hit exceptionally hard, but at the same time you can't neglect threat either.
I'm currently sitting on about 100-101% avoidance, and 36.3k hp unbuffed (usually between 42-49k in a raid depending what buffs are available). I personally don't need additional dodge/parry either or stam so instead I get hit/str where I can to maximize threat. It is somewhat a matter of play but also evaluating what stats would benefit you the most in your current gear.
Do yourself and everyone you talk to a favor:
Don't call it "Def Cap".
Call it "Crit Immune".
Adding Defense Rating beyond 540 DOES help (even though it has diminishing returns), so it isn't a "Cap" like Hit Rating is.
Don't call it "Def Cap".
Call it "Crit Immune".
Adding Defense Rating beyond 540 DOES help (even though it has diminishing returns), so it isn't a "Cap" like Hit Rating is.
Zariamnk wrote:
Do yourself and everyone you talk to a favor:
Don't call it "Def Cap".
Call it "Crit Immune".
Adding Defense Rating beyond 540 DOES help (even though it has diminishing returns), so it isn't a "Cap" like Hit Rating is.
Don't call it "Def Cap".
Call it "Crit Immune".
Adding Defense Rating beyond 540 DOES help (even though it has diminishing returns), so it isn't a "Cap" like Hit Rating is.
It's a soft cap. I really don't think there's any point in continuing this semantics crusade since Cataclysm is apparently getting rid of defense altogether - it seems as though it would be a lot of effort to try to get rid of a term that's going to be obsolete soonish anyway.
Cataclysm's at least going to be a year mate..
I personally use Accuracy on my weapon for threat purposes. None of the other enchantments looked even reasonably attractive.
If you have a weapon that you are soon going to replace, putting a wildly expensive enchantment on, like Blade Ward (Accuracy is somewhat expensive too, IIRC) isn't the most economical decision around.
Thus, you may want to look into Exceptional Agility, instead.
It gives a small boost to armor, dodge, and crit IIRC. Maybe not the best, but according to WoW-Heroes, it is rated at 15, so... *shrug*
It is also a hell of a lot cheaper than Blade Ward or Accuracy.
If you have some blue weapon you will likely replace soon, I'd do Excep. Agility until you get a purple weapon you know you'll be using for awhile.
Thus, you may want to look into Exceptional Agility, instead.
It gives a small boost to armor, dodge, and crit IIRC. Maybe not the best, but according to WoW-Heroes, it is rated at 15, so... *shrug*
It is also a hell of a lot cheaper than Blade Ward or Accuracy.
If you have some blue weapon you will likely replace soon, I'd do Excep. Agility until you get a purple weapon you know you'll be using for awhile.
Personally I have an enchanter alt I send all my greens and BOE blues to that has a large stockpile of enchanting mats so cost isn't anything to me. Accuracy gives me skill-ups and I just enchant weapon vellums and mail them to my tanks so it's all good on my end for that sort of thing.
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Edited, Oct 7th 2009 1:46pm by Smoopie
Edited, Oct 7th 2009 1:46pm by Smoopie
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